Paula R on Salazar's ban... "I think USADA were maybe trying to regain face after the Coleman fiasco.."

Yay he's back wrote:

Welcome back, El K! :)

Why? He's a troublemaker and thread ruiner along with Coevett. These two are poison.

El Keniano wrote:

7-minute video of interview. If there was ever any doubt about which side Ms Radcliffe is on. Despicable!

https://twitter.com/P_J_Browne/status/1179091009038409728?s=20

Awwww. So jealous that your girls and the rest of doped to all hell east Africa can't catch Paula? It must hurt you deeply. Look at you...so passionate! Her WR must be like a hot knife in your chest. Hey at least your girls can try race walking or something else that they may be good at?

Dan Roan appears to have had it with NOP accomplices, apologists and enablers. Et tu Cram?

https://twitter.com/danroan/status/1179103813283860482?s=20

Brit Hater wrote:

No one cares what you think anymore fake Kenyan

A Brit hater? Mais non! I trust a maximum of two people from British Athletics. Jonathan Edwards and Colin Jackson.

El K's getting a full on stiffy over this:

https://gph.is/28WXeoP

Cram on Gatlin. The hypocrisy.

https://twitter.com/5liveSport/status/894106033504657409?s=20

Permanent bans wrote:

Yay he's back wrote:

Welcome back, El K! :)

Why? He's a troublemaker and thread ruiner along with Coevett. These two are poison.

Can't stand him when it's his guys getting busted/implicated, but when it's Europeans and Americans with the busts /innuendo he is rather interesting and refreshing

rojo wrote:

This has NOTHING to do with Coleman. This thing was in the hands of lawyers for 2+ years. In July, the arbitrators asked for an extension until.

Many athletes have been left shaking their heads at the timing of the announcement. The job of the USADA is to uphold the integrity of the sport. It's been in the hands of lawyers for 2+ years and they have to announce the final verdict slap bang in the middle of the 10 day long World Championships, and only 3 days after the star that has appeared to slip through their net because of incompetence completely dominated the 100m?

Paula might be a cheat and a disgusting hypocrite, but she might also have a point here.

El Keniano wrote:

Brit Hater wrote:

No one cares what you think anymore fake Kenyan

A Brit hater? Mais non! I trust a maximum of two people from British Athletics. Jonathan Edwards and Colin Jackson.

Jonathan Edwards, the devout Christian who refused to compete on a Sunday...until he realized how much money it was costing him. The devout life-long Christian who suddenly stopped believing in God in 2014.

Colin Jackson, the obviously gay track star who took 20 years to come out of the closet. Best buddies with Linford 'Lucazade' Christie. Part of the Cardiff Mafia who conspired to keep the far more naturally talented John Ridgeon out of the British team.

I'd trust Paula above those two. But you obviously recognize something 'Kenyan' about them.

She made a lot of enemies last time out, Dan Roan being one of them.

No one in their right mind listens to her anymore

bobblehead paula wrote:

The nasty doping cheater bobblehead radcliffe sounds like she has a mouth full of marbles. Can we please have a speech therapist work with her while she serves out her well deserved prison sentence?

Stupid post. She speaks very articulate with an understandable British accent. So what did she do that deserves a prison sentence? You people are too much - if you don't like a person's position on something you attack their character. I know it's Letsrun...but try to grow up a little. ?

Coevett wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

A Brit hater? Mais non! I trust a maximum of two people from British Athletics. Jonathan Edwards and Colin Jackson.

Jonathan Edwards, the devout Christian who refused to compete on a Sunday...until he realized how much money it was costing him. The devout life-long Christian who suddenly stopped believing in God in 2014.

Colin Jackson, the obviously gay track star who took 20 years to come out of the closet. Best buddies with Linford 'Lucazade' Christie. Part of the Cardiff Mafia who conspired to keep the far more naturally talented John Ridgeon out of the British team.

I'd trust Paula above those two. But you obviously recognize something 'Kenyan' about them.

Nice homophobia being thrown around here. How does not wanting to come out the closet lead to someone being untrustworthy? People like you are just waiting to throw hatred on someone for coming out, even in 2019, never mind when he was competing and there were very few (if any) openly gay sports stars.

Jonathan Edwards said he lost his faith in 2007 and what is wrong with that? God doesn't exist and he finally realised that.

Paula (and Crammie!) are now in a difficult place. They went down the road of "witch hunt" when the allegations against Salazar were first made and now they are trying to explain away the findings of what has clearly been a pretty exhaustive investigation. If it had taken a couple of months they would have condemned it a superficial and lacking in rigour.

They say that Farah has been found guilty of nothing - which is true - but most people are going to assume that if Salazar was cheating with many of his athletes is it likely that his most successful athlete was not involved in this process.

UK Athletics have some very difficult questions to answer; Nike "ambassadors" like Radcliffe and Cram should be subject to rather more intense questioning than they received at the hands of the clearly sympathetic Gabby Logan. but will the BBC ever subject their own to this scrutiny?

Slightly tongue in cheek here; if the IAAF can ban an entire nation (Russia) just because some of its athletes cheated (but no evidence that all the individuals who suffer under the ban cheated) cannot a similar ban now be placed on anyone linked to NOP? It wouldn't be fair, guilt by association and all that, but how fair is the blanket ban on Russian athletes/

Coevett wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

A Brit hater? Mais non! I trust a maximum of two people from British Athletics. Jonathan Edwards and Colin Jackson.

Jonathan Edwards, the devout Christian who refused to compete on a Sunday...until he realized how much money it was costing him. The devout life-long Christian who suddenly stopped believing in God in 2014.

Colin Jackson, the obviously gay track star who took 20 years to come out of the closet. Best buddies with Linford 'Lucazade' Christie. Part of the Cardiff Mafia who conspired to keep the far more naturally talented John Ridgeon out of the British team.

I'd trust Paula above those two. But you obviously recognize something 'Kenyan' about them.

If by "something Kenyan" you mean basic, uncomplicated authenticity i.e. not fake, thirsty attention seekers constantly playing for an audience, unlike the vast majority of their countrymen, then you're correct. Also, I fail to see how people's personal faith and sexuality are even remotely relevant to this.

Coevett wrote:

Many athletes have been left shaking their heads at the timing of the announcement. The job of the USADA is to uphold the integrity of the sport. It's been in the hands of lawyers for 2+ years and they have to announce the final verdict slap bang in the middle of the 10 day long World Championships, and only 3 days after the star that has appeared to slip through their net because of incompetence completely dominated the 100m?

The timing was because AAA made the decision that day. Can't really blame USADA for that.

But after having read their decision, it appears USADA botched that case too, by submitting some of their evidence too late (ignoring the deadline several times), which was then judged as inadmissible. So like Coleman and Roberts and Rollins and and, Salazar/NOP got off easy thanks to USADA's (coincidental?) incompetence.

milermb wrote:

UK Athletics have some very difficult questions to answer; Nike "ambassadors" like Radcliffe and Cram should be subject to rather more intense questioning than they received at the hands of the clearly sympathetic Gabby Logan. but will the BBC ever subject their own to this scrutiny?/

The BBC is a state broadcaster created as a propaganda tool for the British government. Its mission is to portray the UK and its citizens in the best possible light. They're to the UK what RT is to Russia.

milermb wrote:

Slightly tongue in cheek here; if the IAAF can ban an entire nation (Russia) just because some of its athletes cheated (but no evidence that all the individuals who suffer under the ban cheated) cannot a similar ban now be placed on anyone linked to NOP? It wouldn't be fair, guilt by association and all that, but how fair is the blanket ban on Russian athletes/

You bring up an interesting point.

There is an old expression, "You made your bed, now lie in it."

Honoring precedent is a way of combating bias (if X did Y and received punishment Z, then if W does Y, we should probably give W punishment Z too, even though we like W and dislike X).

It behooves everyone involved to apply the rules and consequences consistently. I'd have to take a closer look at the circumstances surrounding the Russian ban, but on its face I do recall it being pretty heavy-handed.

AlSal, as head of the NOP program, has been banned for doping-related violations. Unless all of this drama is over just a technicality, which would be weird given the passionate incriminations, we must naturally ask, "AlSal violating doping rules for who?" Ostensibly, as the head coach, NOP athletes.

I don't think it'd be fair to ban all of the NOP athletes, but I didn't think it was fair to do the same to (nearly all) the Russian athletes. However, if you did approve of the blanket ban on the Russians (of which there were many people in this forum), there does appear to be at least some obligation to explain why the NOP situation is radically different.

I appreciate you're enjoying this Kenny, but you do realise the information we've got on Salazar is absolutely nothing we didn't already know.

Meanwhile Kenya are in an even worse position than they were when you had a nervous breakdown and started posting under fake names, oops, I mean definitely left the forum.

What exactly has changed for you that you're acting in such a smug manner?

El Keniano wrote:

The BBC is a state broadcaster created as a propaganda tool for the British government. Its mission is to portray the UK and its citizens in the best possible light. They're to the UK what RT is to Russia.

No. The BBC is trying to push their own agenda at all times. Sometimes this coincides with pushing the UK's view sometimes it doesn't. However the athletics coverage always try to portray UKA in the best possible light. So UK athletes never take drugs, and whereabout misses (Christine Ohoruogu) are always soft-pedalled, whilst any drug violations by athletes from other countries are always highlighted.

Given UKA relied on Mo's golds to carry the sport for years it is no surprise to see them line up to defend Mo, especially as they are Nike brand ambassadors. Your average person on the street would have no idea that Mo is liked to this, as Cram has been very forceful in his interviews that there is no reason to link him to this (his opinion not mine).