ALBERTO SALAZAR BANNED FROM ATHLETICS FOR FOUR YEARS FOR DOPING VIOLATIONS

qw wrote:

sleazazar wrote:

1) He cheated. It’s plain as day from the reports. Whether you think it is insignificant cheating in the big picture is your opinion, but he flat out broke anti-doping rules and you are supporting him despite this.

2) You still don’t understand the difference between USADA and WADA. Hint: Tygart can’t do anything about Russian or African doping.

Well the thing you don't understand the difference between is that you also are cheater just like Salazar. The difference is that you just believe you are not. But essentially you have used performance enhancing substances your entire life.

Coffee (caffeine), NSAIDs (ibuprofen) and finally supplements and even meat (creatine, carnitine) are all heavyweight PEDs. They are just on the green side since used widely by general population

I didn’t break any anti-doping rules. Salazar did. That makes Salazar a cheater and you support him.

Does anyone else find the given rationale for experimenting on the Salazar boys to be unconvincing? If I were concerned that someone had rubbed testosterone on Rupp, I would check Rupp's blood. God knows they were checking his blood testosterone level regularly anyway. And who's to say if a squirt of Androgel has the same effect on the Salazar boys as it does on Rupp? And why would a bad actor use Androgel at all, for that matter, instead of a more concentrated testosterone solution that would be less noticeable?

And leaving USADA a voice mail and sending an email about suspected sabotage? How about actually talking to someone, or was he just ensuring that there would be a record of the message because he knew that Rupp might get popped for his testosterone abuse?

Flat Stanley wrote:

Which other athletes used Brown? Not just NOP was it. I seem to remember Ryan Hall and others also using him. Anyone working with Brown has to be called into question at this point.

No one forget: Brown was KARA's doctor, right? She introduced him to NOP? KARA is patient zero in this whole situation.

El Keniano wrote:

Well, still a few marbles short, I see. I don't know what you're on about. I've never posted under any handle other than this. And yes, I haven't been here since April and that indirectly led to several unexpected life-changing decisions which only reaffirmed that I was spending way too much time in this toxic, racist cesspool. And, no! Not planning on staying.

As Farah, didn't UK Athletics release a statement staking their reputation on his being clean? Considering he's IS British Athletics, well that standing is in tatters. BRITISH ATHLETICS IS A TOTAL FRAUD!!!

Ok. I believe you, you definitely haven't been here since April, not once. This is definitely true.

So, what you're saying is one British athlete being dodgy is worse than a bus load of positives (even with minimal testing) and proof that a large proportion of Kenya's Doha team is up to no good?

(The trying to slip another man into the women's 800 was classic Kenya too, hilarious.)

Here's my take wrote:

£££££ wrote:

I remember a few post where that average runner ridiculed you for your post being critical of Salazar/NOP. Has he apologized for such remarks?

LoneStarXC knows her stuff when it comes these doping issues. I'll listen to her anytime over the likes of rekrunner, ex-runner, Canova, etc.

Btw, has she given her famous "another one bites the dust" post on Al Sal yet?

Thanks! It feels good to be appreciated! ?

that average runner has not apologized yet. He’s likely too embarrassed to admit that I was right after he put so much effort into attacking me.

And, since I didn’t even think of it before:

Another one bites the dust!

ONE LAST TIME: If alllllll the E. Africans are doped, and you surely think they are, then barely 19 y.o. Jakob is doped too. Because he ain't going out there and beating nearly all of these vert talented, very hardworking, very DOPED (according to you) adults as a clean teenager. Sorry, ain't happening.

So either throw him under the bus too, or admit: ' hey, maybe a good portion of these E. Africans are clean too, and I owe them all an apology from the bottom of my racist heart.'

You can't have it both ways ("these times and performances are science fiction!" and " hey, that teenager can beat those science fiction times and performances clean because: fast brothers and he's white." ), dummy.

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

£££££ wrote:

My gut feeling is that Mr t rex is sage alt account.

Your gut is too full of sat fat, Meat-Head. And to the other guy, I think you need to look up the definition of "tangential." A ) I was commenting on the owner of this site's comments, and B) it was about American runners who may or may not have doped (in relation to other runners from the world). Kinda on topic, and similar to half the posts on here.

Yep. Thanks for letting me know I'm right.

There's more to come. wrote:

NOP fan wrote:

This whole thing has gotten blown way out of proportion.

Hey dumbo, here's a question for you, why do you think "This whole thing has gotten blown way out of proportion" as you put and being reported all around the world?

It's not because "None of this is new information" or "nobody has bothered to actually read the AAA's report", it's because USADA have investigated for four years and banned a highly successful coach and a shonky doctor.

That's big news all around the world whether you like it or not.

And if you're pissed off "NOP athletes get needlessly dragged through the mud" they and you have got one person to blame for that, well one main one and quite a few enablers.

This. NOP athletes ARE NOT being “needlessly dragged through the mud”. Sleazy Sal was banned for doping violations. Naturally, that means that he was doping his athletes. We already knew that Sleazy Sal has Rupp on prednisone and testosterone when he was in high school.

Looks like PR company trolls are being deployed. Definitely US-based.

0ijmo wrote:

Perhaps now, he should have done it a long time ago, Salazar will work to expose the dirty Kenyans and Epo-thians

rather than dabbling in cheating himself. Let's get back to the pre epo years when Americans would routinely compete with and beat the Africans.... Have you ever seen a picture of Frank Shorter losing to a Kenyan or Epo-thian? Nope. There are none.

No...just to a doped East German. ?

That Norwegian is definitely suspect. Sorry to say it but that 5k final is suspect.

£££££ wrote:

fortherecord wrote:

Who is “They”? You can even see here on LetsRun people posting about how Julian coaches at least half the team if not more. Seems like grasping at straws at this point. Being banned for staff experiments years ago seems like a terrible reason to take 4 years from someone’s career

Don't play stupid. "They" = the athletes at NOP who claim they are only coached by Pete

Agreed. Sleazy Sal and Julian worked closely together. It’s naive to think that Julian’s athletes are totally clean.

The problem with track and field is everyone is guilty until proven innocent. The poor leadership in this sport just cant keep up with this mess. Look at the performances across the board and the only question we all ask is how they got away with it. This has become a joke in my running circles. I think we should stop all this fake commentary and just admit we need an open system. Fair means all have access to what ever and now it is up to the athlete how far they are wiling to go.

I just hope the Bowerman club is clean.

Is Centro and MO clean?

I was banned for advocating pushups. This is a travesty.

That was a pathetic hit piece that went horribly wrong for ZDF and you know it. Paying a couple of desperate z-listers to get a story. As for the forged stamp ... they're left with nothing but egg on their face. If you think the IAAF would let anyone caught on video injecting drugs race, especially if they're black and African, then I just can't with your naïveté.

The Nike Androgen Project wrote:

Does anyone else find the given rationale for experimenting on the Salazar boys to be unconvincing? If I were concerned that someone had rubbed testosterone on Rupp, I would check Rupp's blood. God knows they were checking his blood testosterone level regularly anyway. And who's to say if a squirt of Androgel has the same effect on the Salazar boys as it does on Rupp? And why would a bad actor use Androgel at all, for that matter, instead of a more concentrated testosterone solution that would be less noticeable?

And leaving USADA a voice mail and sending an email about suspected sabotage? How about actually talking to someone, or was he just ensuring that there would be a record of the message because he knew that Rupp might get popped for his testosterone abuse?

While there's no finding regarding administering illegal substances like testosterone to his athletes, the testosterone gel experiment is suspect. If one is scheming to dope, certainly this sort of experiment could be valuable so it at least counts as circumstantial evidence.

However, I do admit to being a bit taken aback by the amateurish approach -- rubbing testosterone gel on his sons using his own prescription? Someone with his resources surely has better access to micro-dosing tech than your run-of-the-mill college athlete (tsk tsk).

And, regardless, I don't know how big of a concern sabotage is, or how paranoid someone like AlSal may be. The nature of the experiment (amateur hour if seen as a test for a doping scheme), one would not be completely off the reservation for thinking AlSal may have concocted this whack test out of paranoia.

LoneStarXC wrote:

£££££ wrote:

Don't play stupid. "They" = the athletes at NOP who claim they are only coached by Pete

Agreed. Sleazy Sal and Julian worked closely together. It’s naive to think that Julian’s athletes are totally clean.

Yep, now everyone will be "coached" by Pete at NOP. Pete being who Salazar text the workouts to. I'm sure Salazar taught him well.

loki wrote:

This has become a joke in my running circles. I think we should stop all this fake commentary and just admit we need an open system. Fair means all have access to what ever and now it is up to the athlete how far they are wiling to go.

That was the philosophy in the 1970s, but the USA objected because we couldn't compete with East Germany, USSR, China, and others who could more easily force athletes to take drugs from an early age.