Sifan MF Hassan just closed the 10k with a 3:59.09 1500!!! 4:17.15 last 1600!!

jonnyjinlondon wrote:

REAL. wrote:

Let’s not act like she was alone. She didn’t take the lead until 400m to go so all 3-4 women did the same thing.

Loved the white girls running so conservatively. Like a flock of seagulls.

Um, yeah, the white girls are running according to their genetic potential and they aren't doped to the gills either. Not saying the Africans wouldn't thrash them in an equal environment (clearly, they would) BUT don't bash the whiteys, just because they're better than you at physics and medicine and all those smarty pants things.

I' m not white and I'm good at math, physics and medicine.

Somehow you are not factoring in the conditions of Doha, and how those conditions affect a 10,000. Her time is worth something much faster in a more standard environment.

Track Fan 1979 wrote:

Wasn't the Oregon Project supposed to exclusively help develop American distance runners?

Yes, in 2001 when it was formed. Times and goals have changed. Bowerman is American Nike team now. NOP is the international team.

Idiot Alert wrote:

Somehow you are not factoring in the conditions of Doha, and how those conditions affect a 10,000. Her time is worth something much faster in a more standard environment.

If you're saying Doha is hot, the stadium is air-conditioned. Unknown what the trackside conditions are, but Coburn reported after her heat that it was comfortable.

Where can I watch the replay?

John Wesley Harding wrote:

It was 14:43.80.

If you rely on IAAF tables, it’s like a man running the last 5k/3k/1500 in 13:04.1/7:38.7/3:32.3 in a 26:57 race. Do you guys think Bekele or Farah or anyone ever could do that? I’m skeptical.

I do think it’s more like a man closing in 13:10/7:42/3:34 in a 27:10 race—and that’s more conceivable.

Bekele and Geb DID close sub 13 in a sub 27 race in Paris. But no guy has ever come close to closing in 3:32. That is disgusting.

If you drop times/splits that rival those of the Chinese women’s team in the 90’s, people are going to be suspicious.

Les wrote:

Idiot Alert wrote:

Somehow you are not factoring in the conditions of Doha, and how those conditions affect a 10,000. Her time is worth something much faster in a more standard environment.

If you're saying Doha is hot, the stadium is air-conditioned. Unknown what the trackside conditions are, but Coburn reported after her heat that it was comfortable.

I’ve heard from someone this afternoon that he thought the stadium was ‘chilled down’ to 78° ...

Gidey's 1500 PR is 4:11 from two years ago, but she closed in 4:04.

Don't forget that at the 2017 World Champs Ayana Split 15:51 and then 14:24 to win the 10000m in 30:16...

In Ayana's World record from Rio 2016 she ran a 14:47 and then 14:30 to run 29:17... which is a whole minute faster.

I think the speed at which Hassan closed is superbly amazing, but this just shows that she is capable of running a much faster time if she goes out harder or ran more even splits (though it seems like Hassan almost always runs her best by negative splitting).

I think it would be extremely exciting to see a match up with Ayana, Hassan, and Obiri all at 100% to see just how fast they can crush the 5000m and 10000m.

She was passing a lot the final 1500; her actual 1500 was around 3:58-low. Unnnncredible!

I think we all have low expectations of women over 1500m. Women can be running sub-3:50 for 1500m by now, but much of the best talent has been below or above that race distance. It just wasn't sexy to race the 1500m as a female. Small sample size. I mean, didn't Suzy Hamilton run 3:59 almost 20 years ago and Mary Decker almost 30 years ago?

An all time performance, reminiscent of Bekele's sub-13 to finish a 10k and El G's 1:46 to finish a 1500.

As I recall during Wang Junxia's 1993 WR, she closed in 14:26 (5000 m) and around 8:20 (3000 m), probably drug enhanced but that 5000 was under the WR at the time.

Les wrote:

Track Fan 1979 wrote:

Wasn't the Oregon Project supposed to exclusively help develop American distance runners?

Yes, in 2001 when it was formed. Times and goals have changed. Bowerman is American Nike team now. NOP is the international team.

Actually WCAP is the Nike sponsored international team, NOP is half and half

dfa wrote:

Where can I watch the replay?

On page 3 of the thread

bladerunner wrote:

ShilohDoesntCare wrote:

You're kidding right? 14:42 last 5k is not a joke and the last 1600 was close to her PB. It's a suspicious performance for sure. Are you gonna tell me Ayana's run in 2016 was possibly clean as well? An obvious doped up performance is what that was and not a single person bought it.

14:42 is 31 seconds off the world record. Not a big deal off a slow first 5k. Based on what she has done in the past, it's not at all suspicious. Go back and look at the Olympic men's10k final in 2004. I believe the 2nd 5k was run in sub 13 minutes (Gebrelsalsie, Sihane, and Bekele). I don't know about Ayana's run, but she ran a significantly faster time than anyone's ever run, hardly comparable to Hassan's race today.

As someone else posted, the first 5k was at Hassan's 1/2 marathon pace. hardly blistering .

You just name dropped a bunch of athletes that are either highly suspicious or ran in the EPO era. Those are not valid comparisons at all. The fact of the matter is that 14:42 for 5k alone in a championship with a sub 4 last 1500 is extremely fast. Period. 14:42 in a championship 5k alone is fast let alone after 5k at half marathon pace. She just won a 10k where the last 1500 alone ranked in the top 10 for the year. That is not normal.

REAL. wrote:

I mean, didn't Suzy Hamilton run 3:59 almost 20 years ago and Mary Decker almost 30 years ago?

No, Suzy Hamilton has run 3:57 and Mary Decker has run 3:57 36 years ago.

REAL. wrote:

rojo, don't act like you haven't done the same. At Conference, I closed in 4:23 last 4 laps when my indoor Mile PR was 4:18. Nothing crazy in a tactical race, and I wasn't the WR holder in the mile like Hassan!

Who is this? Can you email me? Who lives in York Pa?