Tim Tebow's trainer linked to PEDs - Tebow called to testify at Trial

Jesus please don't let this be true.... ???

what does this have to do with running?

how is this amazing? Wouldn't you think that most pro football players are on PEDS, I mean who can really blame them?

You really think the NFL is earnestly trying to stop players from using PEDs? the testing program is purely PR/CYA material

Or did you think Tebow was the one exception?

Drug testing in the NFL is a sham.

Through PEDs which give me quicker recovery, better endurance and better strength all things are possible.

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huh?? wrote:

how is this amazing? Wouldn't you think that most pro football players are on PEDS, I mean who can really blame them?

You really think the NFL is earnestly trying to stop players from using PEDs? the testing program is purely PR/CYA material

Or did you think Tebow was the one exception?

I agree that doping is likely rampant in the NFL, even more so than track. Their testing is less stringent and the money is much greater.

On the other hand, other than the greater amount of money, an NFL quarterback has far less incentive to cheat than a track athlete. The skill aspect is so much greater than the physical aspect. PEDs likely wont help you throw much harder, so the importance of the skill aspect is much greater.

The main aspect I'd see a quarterback feeling like it was worth the risk to dope would be coming back from injury. However, most of their injuries are the type that drugs dont help with: rotator cuff, cracked ribs, torn acl, etc.

I like Tebow and all, but you are out of your mind if you don't think PEDs would help a quarterback. If PEDs don't help people throw harder than why were guys like Clemens juicing? There are 9 positions in baseball (not including DH). 45% of the PED suspensions in MLB baseball have been for pitchers (translation, pitchers are 4 times more likely to get caught juicing). A little extra on the fastball is priceless. And as others have mentioned, testing in the NFL is a joke (they get tested like once a year and it is usually during the preseason, so the rest of the year they can do whatever they want until next April).

huh?? wrote:

how is this amazing? Wouldn't you think that most pro football players are on PEDS, I mean who can really blame them?

You really think the NFL is earnestly trying to stop players from using PEDs? the testing program is purely PR/CYA material

Or did you think Tebow was the one exception?

So you didn't read the post at all or the article. This is not about an NFL player using PEDs. This is about a cyclist that got caught using PEDs and Tebow is being called in as a witness because he also used the same trainer at one point in his career. Tim Tebow is not being accused of PEDs.

Pitchers have a much higher count of throws at maximum effort compared to quarterbacks. Its like a factor of 100 over the course of the season. Baseball pitchers dont really throw harder using PEDs, they use it to recover from pitching a hundred of full effort throws twice a week, plus practice sessions.

A quarterback throws a few dozen throws once a week, and usually only a few are full effort, most are more like 80% effort. The handful of hits they take are much more brutal on them than the throwing.

I'm not saying no quarterbacks are doping. I'm sure some are, I'm just saying it probably isnt nearly as prevalent as linemen who are doping, for example. Maintaining 350 pounds with under 20% body fat is next to impossible without it.

I'd suspect most quarterbacks who dope only use it to come back from a hamstring strain or other injury, or to get fit in the offseason.

ric flair woooooooooooo wrote:

huh?? wrote:

how is this amazing? Wouldn't you think that most pro football players are on PEDS, I mean who can really blame them?

You really think the NFL is earnestly trying to stop players from using PEDs? the testing program is purely PR/CYA material

Or did you think Tebow was the one exception?

So you didn't read the post at all or the article. This is not about an NFL player using PEDs. This is about a cyclist that got caught using PEDs and Tebow is being called in as a witness because he also used the same trainer at one point in his career. Tim Tebow is not being accused of PEDs.

You mean rojo's post where he clearly placed suspicion on Tebow for doping? yeah i read that. did you?

I swear there's like 30% of the population who really struggle with interpreting anything not directly stated.

Starting pitchers throw a baseball app. five days a week including practice. A starting pitcher has, at the most two starts a week. A starting pitcher in baseball throws softly two or three days a week. One day a week in practice, a pitcher will throw maybe 25 hard pitches in practice. NFL quarterbacks throw five or six days a week. NFL quartbacks throw hard every day. How else are receivers going to have proper timing on hard slants, five yard outs, ten yard outs and fifteen yard outs? How is a team going to practice Hail Mary unless an NFL QB at least once a week stands on his own thirty yard line and then throws the ball 75 yards? Except for wheel routes and fade routes, QBs are throwing a football hard.

Peyton Manning was caught by al Jazeera. You can minimize al-Jazeera if you like. NFL QBs are as apt to juice as everyone else on NFL team. Did you see weak arm QB Brady playing for University of Michigan? Did you see weak arm QB Brady playing for New England seventeen or so years ago? Are not you curious how Brady developed a NFL arm after he was age 23?

There are men who are naturally 6'7" 350 lbs. Those men do not have to juice to be that size to maintain sub-20% fat.

joedirt wrote: There are 9 positions in baseball (not including DH). 45% of the PED suspensions in MLB baseball have been for pitchers (translation, pitchers are 4 times more likely to get caught juicing).

Just to clarify this stat. MLB rosters have 25 players, most teams carry 12 pitchers. To a first approximation, with random (or complete) testing over the whole roster, 12/25 or 48% of PED suspensions would be expected to come from pitchers. The difference is likely noise and I think indicates that pitchers and field players are equally likely to dope.

Drainthefecesswamp wrote:

I agree that doping is likely rampant in the NFL, even more so than track. Their testing is less stringent and the money is much greater.

On the other hand, other than the greater amount of money, an NFL quarterback has far less incentive to cheat than a track athlete. The skill aspect is so much greater than the physical aspect. PEDs likely wont help you throw much harder, so the importance of the skill aspect is much greater.

The main aspect I'd see a quarterback feeling like it was worth the risk to dope would be coming back from injury. However, most of their injuries are the type that drugs dont help with: rotator cuff, cracked ribs, torn acl, etc.

It's unfortunate that people actually think like this. Completely uninformed about the impact PED's can have. In addition to that no idea what it takes to play a professional sport let alone in the NFL yet you are pretty sure that PED's wouldn't help a quarterback at that level.

Although you could be right. Tim Tebow was strictly a skill player. An amazing arm but not very athletic so maybe PED's wouldn't help him.

huh?? wrote:

how is this amazing? Wouldn't you think that most pro football players are on PEDS, I mean who can really blame them?

You really think the NFL is earnestly trying to stop players from using PEDs? the testing program is purely PR/CYA material

Or did you think Tebow was the one exception?

1) I do not think most NFL players on drugs.

2) It would be 'amazing' because Tim Tebow is an christian hero who has a squeaky clean, all-american image.

3) Even if the trainer was dirty, it doesn't mean he injected tebow.

4) Even if he was drugged, it doesnt' mean he knew about it.

Weldon experienced something like this:

https://www.letsrun.com/2009/galea1215.php

rojo wrote:

huh?? wrote:

how is this amazing? Wouldn't you think that most pro football players are on PEDS, I mean who can really blame them?

You really think the NFL is earnestly trying to stop players from using PEDs? the testing program is purely PR/CYA material

Or did you think Tebow was the one exception?

1) I do not think most NFL players on drugs.

2) It would be 'amazing' because Tim Tebow is an christian hero who has a squeaky clean, all-american image.

3) Even if the trainer was dirty, it doesn't mean he injected tebow.

4) Even if he was drugged, it doesnt' mean he knew about it.

you think Christians are more moral than other people? really?

You don't think most NFL players are on PED? really??????????? I thought this was common knowledge by now

holy hell ya got to be trolling

huh?? wrote:

rojo wrote:

1) I do not think most NFL players on drugs.

2) It would be 'amazing' because Tim Tebow is an christian hero who has a squeaky clean, all-american image.

3) Even if the trainer was dirty, it doesn't mean he injected tebow.

4) Even if he was drugged, it doesnt' mean he knew about it.

you think Christians are more moral than other people? really?

How many Christians do you actually know? Actual Christians (probably not some guy you heard about on the news) are way more moral than your average person and it isn't even close. Do you know where the majority of giving to homeless shelters and community needs come from? Also what is your world view that you can even call something moral or immoral? What is the moral standard you use?

I feel fairly informed about PEDs in the track world, from friends and teammates who doped. But yes, I dont have personal experience in doping in the ball sports.

To the person claiming that NFL quarterbacks are throwing hard all the time, go back and watch some replays. They almost never throw hard in games. The long down field pass isnt completely gone, but it certainly isnt the mainstay it once was.

The average pass now is well under 10 yards in the air. Some starting quarterbacks last year had average in air passes of only 7 or 8 yards. It's all about quick short passes and snap decisions. They're not weak throws, but throwing too hard for short passes means the receivers drop a higher percentage. They're trying to strike a balance between throwing hard to get it through a narrow lane and throwing it soft so it's a high percentage catch.

Look at the injuries most quarterbacks sustain. It's almost never related to the muscles in the shoulder, which you would expect if it was highly taxing and PEDs and harder throws would help. It's almost always injuries due to contact (bruised ribs, finger strains) or stepping awkwardly (ankle, knee injuries). The shoulder injuries are almost always due to long term abuse, rotator cuff issues, tendonitis, etc.

Being an NFL quarterback is taxing, but more to your body in general than to just the shoulder in the way it is for an MLB pitcher.

Go look up stats if you dont believe me.

rojo wrote:

Wow. This is amazing. Tim Tebow's personal trainer Ian Danney - a man whom he praised in his book as "Ian's magic" got his injuries to heal so quickly - has been accused by a cyclist who was banned from USADA of pumping her up with PEDs.

The cyclist has called on Tim Tebow to testify at the trial.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-tim-tebow-james-harrison-to-be-called-as-witnesses-in-civil-ped-case-010937067.html

"pumping her up with PEDs"

I think it was Eddy Merckx who said "There's doping and then there is DOPING." Nuvigil, which is the drug the cyclist accused her trainer of "pumping her up" with as Rojo put it, is doping with an extremely lower case "d". The amount of people using it is in the millions and the chances of it helping an athletes are very small unless they truly have narcolepsy, which is what it was invented for. It's more likely to cause someone to be chronically dehydrated and keep them from getting as much sleep as they ought to.

As for the NFL quarterback debate: it's not going to help them throw the ball much harder, but you better believe they can take a hit and sustain a lot less damage with an extra 20-30 pounds of muscle on them.