List of runners who have run 1:44 and 13:00

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Either you’re dumb or you just don’t actually pay attention to the stuff you’re talking about.

I was curious as to Steve Cram's profile:

800 Metres 1:42.88 Letzigrund, Zürich (SUI) 21 AUG 1985 1239

1000 Metres 2:12.88 Gateshead (GBR) 09 AUG 1985 1232

1500 Metres 3:29.67 Nice (FRA) 16 JUL 1985 1249

One Mile 3:46.32 Oslo (NOR) 27 JUL 1985 AR, NR 1249

2000 Metres 4:51.39 Budapest (HUN) 04 AUG 1985 AR, NR 1221

3000 Metres 7:45.45 Sevilla (ESP) 01 JUN 1988 1143

Two Miles 8:14.93 London (GBR) 29 AUG 1983 1180

5000 Metres 13:28.58 Jarrow (GBR) 03 JUN 1989 1107

10 Miles Road 49:51 Brampton (GBR) 21 NOV 1987 945

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/great-britain-ni/steve-cram-571

I have no idea how often he actually raced the 5 K

You Said It wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Athletes of Aouita's era could use as many steroids as they wanted because there was no out of competition testing. Look where Aouita's career went after 1988.

A lot of elites from when Choge started made similar exits after epo testing and the bio passport. But Choge's still right there at the top.

But going just by times, there is no comparison. The only major event where Aouita's ahead is the 800; at 1500 they are virtually tied, and Choge dominates everything above that. Nobody in their right mind doubts he would easily beat 27:26 if the 10,000 were still an event worth running.

Why would you go just by times for two guys that are a generation apart? That would be like comparing Aouita’s times to somebody that was running in the mid-1950s through early 1960s. Just a flawed comparison.

Why would you NOT compare them by times?

Only an imbecile would compare by accolades.

You can objectively compare Aouita's times to those guys in the 50s - 60s and say that Aouita and Choge were both better than all of those buffoons. Back then, the competition was more shallow than even a modern-day triathlon. Much easier to be the best and get multiple Olympic medals or dominate your competition when there was literally no monetary incentive to compete, and virtually all your competitors had to balance actual careers with training.

Can't fake times though. The best you can do is drop a bit of time for the earlier runners to account for poorer track and shoe technology. The people who complain about improvements in training theory are completely nonsensical. Being better through better training is perfectly legitimate.

douglas burke wrote:

Lagat ran his First sub 13 at age 30 or 31 and his final sub 13 at 38 or 39, he holds the OVER 40 record at 13:06, if he had decided he wanted to be a 5000 runner in his early to mid 20's he would have a MUCH FASTER Personal Best than 12:53, Such is his talent, he could have been a Very Good Marathoner had he chosen to focus on the Marathon at a Young age, he runs a 2:12.10 at age 44 going out very conservatively and running a negative split, he may have a ceiling of 2:09-2:10 NOW (In perfect conditions) he has an outside shot at making the Olympics in the Marathon and he will be 45 at the Trials.

So true. But don't forget Abguipede Pohghile of Morocco. One of the biggest what ifs in track history. Amateur soccer player for his local village club until 28. Spotted by Italian coach who happened to be passing through. Invited to do a 5K time trial next day and runs 13:21 with the last 800m in 1:46. On sand! Barefoot!! Solid performances on the circuit for the next 5 years with pbs including a 1:52 800m and 13:45 5K. Remember this kid had only started running at 28. Moved to Iten full time at 33 and true potential started to come out. 13:05 5K at Rabat and a 3:32 showing at Monaco. Injured for the next two years but came back in stunning fashion this season with a 1:44 at age 35. He could still get under 13 minutes for 5K and join the club if he wants to. At age 40!

Link? Why is there no record of these times anywhere?

Man, how do people - supposed track fans, nonetheless - not understand the difference between a race and a time trial?

Centro's 1500s have mostly been races. They're not set up to achieve the fastest time possible. "hurrrr but he's only run 3:37 this season, he must be doping." Ask yourself what the pacing is like in a typical 1500. Think about surges, slowplaying, people who are scared to take the lead and get outkicked.

13:00 seems completely in line with his capabilities in a time-trial scenario like this with OUTSTANDING pacing.

If you think he's a doper, fine, but this sure ain't evidence of it.

Slow Bro wrote:

Man, how do people - supposed track fans, nonetheless - not understand the difference between a race and a time trial?

Centro's 1500s have mostly been races. They're not set up to achieve the fastest time possible. "hurrrr but he's only run 3:37 this season, he must be doping." Ask yourself what the pacing is like in a typical 1500. Think about surges, slowplaying, people who are scared to take the lead and get outkicked.

13:00 seems completely in line with his capabilities in a time-trial scenario like this with OUTSTANDING pacing.

If you think he's a doper, fine, but this sure ain't evidence of it.

That said, if Centro had dropped a 12:42 or something, then I'd be pretty suspicious, LOL

I just parsed the lists on alltime-athletics and this is the list of guys who have run at least 1:45.50 and 13:10.00:

Augustine Choge

Brahim Lahlafi

Noureddine Morceli

Saïd Aouita

Vénuste Niyongabo

(Matthew Centrowitz)

Brahim Lahlafi's time doesn't show up in IAAF but if true he has pretty impressive range from a 1:45 to a 12:49, 1:01, and 2:15.