List of runners who have run 1:44 and 13:00

Worth mentioning,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noureddine_Morceli

He only ran one serious 5000 in his career. In 13:03 and held the 3000 world record. So I'm sure if he made it a priority, he could've done it.

On the basis of his 3:48 mile I thought that Mottram had a chance but....1:52.9 lol. Lagat has 1:46 and Lomong 1:45

YMMV wrote:

On the basis of his 3:48 mile I thought that Mottram had a chance but....1:52.9 lol. Lagat has 1:46 and Lomong 1:45

Mottram was pure slow-twitch, so was Solinsky. Being big and muscular got nothing to do with raw speed. The mile is primarily an aerobic event, that's why some people with very high VO2MAX are innately good at the mile despite having bad 400m speed. Same other way round - great 400m speed, needs a lot of training to become good at the mile (think about Lewandowski who needed to grind out 110 mpw for a decade to finally get to 3:32 shape).

Hardloper wrote:

Saïd Aouita

Augustine Choge

Matthew Centrowitz Jr

Have their been any others?

Centrowitz isn't even close to your criteria. Alan Webb has much better PBs in both events.

what are you talking? wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

Saïd Aouita

Augustine Choge

Matthew Centrowitz Jr

Have their been any others?

Centrowitz isn't even close to your criteria. Alan Webb has much better PBs in both events.

You are not up-to-date. Centro ran 13 flat yesterday, making him the 3rd person to join the exclusive 1:44/13:00 club.

Centro running 13 flat for 5k is........well if it sounds to good to be true it probably is. What performance has he displayed in the last 6 months that would indicate he could just come out and drop a time like that? What about the track? The shoes? something doesn't seem right.

WhatwouldRossthink wrote:

Centro running 13 flat for 5k is........well if it sounds to good to be true it probably is. What performance has he displayed in the last 6 months that would indicate he could just come out and drop a time like that? What about the track? The shoes? something doesn't seem right.

What indicates it? He changed the coach in Jan 2019 from Salazar to Schumacher. Schumacher has brought many athletes in BTC from national elite to world class. Jager/Lomong/Hill and don't even get me started with the women. Training more frequently with Lomong and co is also very helpful. And it was a fast race, most 5k races are slow by default because no one wants to push the pace and everyone is just running for the win. This was a time-trial, no one cared about who wins it was all about getting them to the fastest time possible which happened with 2 13:00 and one 12:58.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

YMMV wrote:

On the basis of his 3:48 mile I thought that Mottram had a chance but....1:52.9 lol. Lagat has 1:46 and Lomong 1:45

Mottram was pure slow-twitch, so was Solinsky. Being big and muscular got nothing to do with raw speed. The mile is primarily an aerobic event, that's why some people with very high VO2MAX are innately good at the mile despite having bad 400m speed. Same other way round - great 400m speed, needs a lot of training to become good at the mile (think about Lewandowski who needed to grind out 110 mpw for a decade to finally get to 3:32 shape).

No, Mottram had great speed. He had some epic sprint battles.

A 3:37 1500 and 3:52 mile don't indicate 13:00 flat for 5k. Same for Woody... 3:42 and 13:26 are his best this season and then pops a 12:58. Wow Schumacher must be the greatest coach on the planet....but don't worry won't bring up his athletes performance at the World XC champs.

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united-states/matthew-centrowitz-228630

WhatwouldRossthink wrote:

A 3:37 1500 and 3:52 mile don't indicate 13:00 flat for 5k. Same for Woody... 3:42 and 13:26 are his best this season and then pops a 12:58. Wow Schumacher must be the greatest coach on the planet....but don't worry won't bring up his athletes performance at the World XC champs.

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united-states/matthew-centrowitz-228630

Centro said multiple times the strength work under Schumacher is the secret. So longer reps, lots of work at threshold. 1500 and mile times are useless as these races aren't run for time but to win and often have bad pacing. He could run much faster over the 1500 in a time-trial style race.

The pacemaker yesterday was an absolute monster - he carried the entire field for like 4600m. Think back about the times of El Guerrouj and Komen, they had pacemakers like Ngeny and others (many caught doped ones) doing perfect pacing and allowing them to draft behind and conserve energy.

Centro running only 3:37 in a slow race with bad pacing means nothing about his 5k potential. His 3:30, as a guy who was never the fastest guy in the 1500/mile means he can run 13 flat and even faster which he finally did. He said multiple times in his career he doesn't have the raw speed of a Kiprop (or since he moved up, Lewandowski) and needs to win races before the home straight. Doping allowed Kiprop to extend his great speed and dominate the 1500, but the speed was natural.

morcelli, el g, lagat, should be in the club but are not.

all for sure, but again these guys put all their chips on the 1500.

el g was worth 142 800 for sure.

lagat 143

all these guys could go 1250 at least in the 5k. and maybe WR if they specialized in the event.

WhatwouldRossthink wrote:

Centro running 13 flat for 5k is........well if it sounds to good to be true it probably is. What performance has he displayed in the last 6 months that would indicate he could just come out and drop a time like that? What about the track? The shoes? something doesn't seem right.

Not surprising at all that he has talent in the 5k. His dad was a 13:12 guy, 4-time US champ and American record holder in the 5000. Centro Jr was a top 2-miler in HS.

Webb should have joined that club over a decade ago. Oh well.

YMMV wrote:

On the basis of his 3:48 mile I thought that Mottram had a chance but....1:52.9 lol. Lagat has 1:46 and Lomong 1:45

Why would you jump to Mottram ahead of a guy like say the world record holder in the mile who ran faster than Mottram at 5000?

3:48 for the mile is pure slow twitch? I think that's a very inaccurate statement right there.

If you look at the 800m time that was from from 1999, when Mottram was 19. There was a news article once that said he ran 1:45 in training, which is very believable.

I have no doubt that Mottram could have run a sub 50 400 too if he had tried

Also Solinsky was a different kind of beast when compared to Mottram. Mottram never seriously attempted the 10km, while Solinsky did. Mottram was more of a 1500/5k guy while Solinsky was a 5k/10k/cross country/strength guy.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

YMMV wrote:

On the basis of his 3:48 mile I thought that Mottram had a chance but....1:52.9 lol. Lagat has 1:46 and Lomong 1:45

Why would you jump to Mottram ahead of a guy like say the world record holder in the mile who ran faster than Mottram at 5000?

Probably knew that El G hadn't done it. It's pretty well known that his close in the Athens Olympics was as fast or faster than he ever ran an 800m open.

WhatwouldRossthink wrote:

A 3:37 1500 and 3:52 mile don't indicate 13:00 flat for 5k. Same for Woody... 3:42 and 13:26 are his best this season and then pops a 12:58. Wow Schumacher must be the greatest coach on the planet....but don't worry won't bring up his athletes performance at the World XC champs.

Yep. Nothing to see here.

fbhsjvg wrote:

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Why would you jump to Mottram ahead of a guy like say the world record holder in the mile who ran faster than Mottram at 5000?

Probably knew that El G hadn't done it. It's pretty well known that his close in the Athens Olympics was as fast or faster than he ever ran an 800m open.

Yah, I knew that ElG, Bekele, Lagat and Mo all lacked a 1:44.

Said Aouita had the best range

Personal best(s)

800m: 1:43.86

1500m: 3:29.46

Mile: 3:46.76

3000m: 7:29.45

2-mile: 8:13.45

5000m: 12:58.39

10,000m: 27:26.11

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saïd_Aouita