Kincaid 12:58, Lomong 13:00, Centro 13:00 at Nike Track in Beaverton!

fishy out west in the woods wrote:

Hmm, run a race on a track in the woods with only a few people there, most of them employees of the company putting on the race. Keep it low key and that way no drug testing at the time trial.

2500 is a few now? Low key, as in broadcasted live/advertised the week before? Stop making $hit up.

dxzf/mk;,v/.m,cx wrote:

Guy's listed 800 PR is barley better than mine, lol.

What a story.

Outhouse to penthouse in 13:00

How do you feel about switching to wheat, or even soybeans?

Jimmy21 wrote:

kmaclam wrote:

I love this sport and try my best to keep it positive but no way can you spin 300 total in attendance as a good turnout.

I was SHOCKED with how many people were there. 9:00 pm on a weekday and it wasnt well advertises. The track is not made for spectators and it was packed. I think 300 was what were expecting. I saw someone say 2000. I doubt it was that many. 1200 would be my guess. It wasnt just a bunch of nike employees either. It was mostly the local running community

A lot more than showed up to the NYC Letsrun meet-up, that was given further notice in a much larger city with a much larger running community.

Darth Salazar wrote:

rojo wrote:

^^^^^

I've always said that. People don't realize the difference between a time trial in perfect conditions and a DL race.

I mean Ben True has run 13:02 at Stanford. The best he's ever run in a DL race is 13:05.54. Hassan Mead same thing. 13:02 at Stanford, 13:04 in DL.

It's rare to have perfect weather and perfect pacing and not have to jostle for position.

Everyone has always said that.

+1. Pretty much everyone understands that.

REAL. wrote:

This proves how much Seb Coe sucked at the 5000m.

Do you actually know the conditions and scenario of his single attempt?

rojo wrote:

Jonathan Gault wrote:

I watched the race.

I was impressed by how many fans came out. I'd guess 300 or more, there were a lot of people near the finish area..

Wait, what? You are impressed that there were 300 fans to watch America's Olympic gold medallist? When he was running Nike's campus? Are you joking?

There are 12,000+ Nike employees in Beaverton.

The fact that you think 300 people is a lot shows you how minor league our sport is.

Surprised it wasn't mandatory attendance for employees.

Michiganrunner50 wrote:

I agree Rojo. Us guys that have been around the sport for 35 plus years have seen it all. Time trialed races at perfect pacing is conducive to fast times. Still impressive but send all 3 to a Diamond league race that is won in 12:58 and the best they run is 13:10

No, they would be a perfect pace group for someone to kick past for a 12:55

I think you are two years too late on “who the hell is Woody Kincaid”.

Google it.

https://deadspin.com/who-the-hell-is-woody-kincaid-1793204109/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Nice article by deadspin. Great photo in article but you probably are wondering who is Ben True and Ryan Hill is in the photo with Woody.

In time you will learn.

Michiganrunner50 wrote:

The reason why most of us are skeptical is that all 3 destroyed any time they have ever run for that distance. Just like if we witnessed guys that have run 12:50 suddenly running 12:35

Questioning the timing accuracy is silly. That is highly unlikely. A time trial is not close to a race environment. Even in rabbited races, there are eventually surges and tactics that impact your ability to run as fast as possible. These are undoubtedly good performances. I'm not suggesting they'd be significantly slower in a competitive race, although a few seconds would be expected. Based on Lomong and Centro's performances their races do not surprise me a bit. Woody's is quite an improvement and is a surprise, but hats off to him. Next time guys please put your effort into an actual race and not a time trial.

3:50: Whoa Mo' ...don't snap an ankle!

rojo wrote:

Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:

Nike has about 5,000 local employees in Portland.

False.

https://www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2017/05/24/nike-oregon-employment-climbs-above-12000.html

OK, Rojo. You got me! I was thinking WHQ only and forgot to include the two shifts at the Air Sole factory, FT and PT retail employees at various Oregon locales, contractors at data and call centers, foodservice and janitorial contractors, etc. Those facilities and service providers should have turned out at least 6-8 more dedicated hardcore track zealots on a rainy Tuesday night.

I checked out some of the videos. The crowd looked pretty good for a random Tuesday night.

With the Diamond League getting rid of 5000m races, I wonder if this kind of event is what we'll be seeing in the future. I agree a 12:58 in this setting this isn't the same as a competitive race, but those were still monster efforts.

I wonder if Bowerman TC will consider setting up some events like the Night of 10000 PBs in England. With all of their athletes and the running community in Portland, they could try to set up a 5000 event and a 10000 event to get their athletes big PBs.

Of course with Nike involved, I doubt they'd open it up to pros sponsored by other sneaker companies.

Diamond League can still have 5k races like this one -- informal time trials for qualifying purposes. They just won't be Diamond League events and won't be included in the televised portion. There are usually other events at Diamond League meets that we don't see on TV because they're not Diamond League events.

Da Truth Da Truth wrote:

Do the woods create a pacer effect? Along with spectators creating a wind block as they stood all around the track. If so, these 5k times are no different than Kipchoges Sub 2 or 1:59 circuses.

Assuming you are being absurd. 99% of T & F events are held inside stadiums. With WALLS completely surrounding the track. And indoor meets?! Fuhgedaboutit!

Nothing absurd about it, no other tracks like that, don't forget also the boost in oxygen rich air the vegetation is providing, that track looks like it's in the middle of a friggin' jungle.

Oxygenation creation. wrote:

Nothing absurd about it, no other tracks like that, don't forget also the boost in oxygen rich air the vegetation is providing, that track looks like it's in the middle of a friggin' jungle.

If they ran 13:20, you'd complain. They run faster and you're looking for reasons why other than their God given ability and fitness based on their training. Whine, whine, whine...some people are never happy;)

Whose unhappy?, you're the one whining about whiners.

Oxygenation creation. wrote:

Nothing absurd about it, no other tracks like that, don't forget also the boost in oxygen rich air the vegetation is providing, that track looks like it's in the middle of a friggin' jungle.

Astute point! But everyone knows plants and trees are asleep by 9pm (when this race went off). If they were really trying to take advantage of oxygen rich air, they should have scheduled it for high noon when all vegetation is respirating. Congrats on taking 'absurd' to a whole new level.

Wrong!!!