Lauren Goss suspended for CBD use

excuse my ignorance but can someone please explain how THC is performance enhancing for a triathlete.

Performance-enhancement: A common perception of marijuana is that its use impairs physical activity, including exercise performance. While the effects of marijuana can decrease hand-eye coordination and distort spatial perception, there are other effects that can be performance enhancing for some athletes and sport disciplines. Cannabis can cause muscle relaxation and reduce pain during post-workout recovery. It can also decrease anxiety and tension, resulting in better sport performance under pressure. In addition, cannabis can increase focus and risk-taking behaviors, allowing athletes to forget bad falls or previous trauma in sport, and push themselves past those fears in competition.[1]

LoneStarXC wrote:

Flounder wrote:

CBD is snake oil. It isn’t regulated. It isn’t proven. No one knows what they are getting from CBD.

Use at your own risk.

This. I don’t get why people use CBD for pain relief. It’s totally unregulated. If we believe Goss’s story, then it’s not at all surprising that her cream was tainted. Acetaminophen and Ibuprofen, in contrast, have to go through the FDA before they hit store shelves.

So I can’t speak directly to the CBD industry as I don’t work directly in it but to claim it isn’t regulated is absurd. CDB can be derived from hemp, non thc containing (low like under .03%) and marijuana derived which contains THC. I do work in the supplement and health arena and it’s definitely regulated by the FDA, but it does lag behind the most strict and recent pharma regulations. We still have to comply with FISMA and GMP which means any manufacturer has a legal responsibility to verify authenticity of ingredients and concentrations of those ingredients. Furthermore, given the pricing variability between hemp CBD and Marijuana CBD there’s no way a manufacturer was selling thc containing CBD as hemp CBD. Not to mention it would never pass any finished good testing.

This excuse is bonk. Lauren is a party girl, granted a very nice and sweet party girl, and I’d suspect she invested some other form of thc.

THC is a PED wrote:

https://www.usada.org/substances/marijuana-faq/

Performance-enhancement: A common perception of marijuana is that its use impairs physical activity, including exercise performance. While the effects of marijuana can decrease hand-eye coordination and distort spatial perception, there are other effects that can be performance enhancing for some athletes and sport disciplines. Cannabis can cause muscle relaxation and reduce pain during post-workout recovery. It can also decrease anxiety and tension, resulting in better sport performance under pressure. In addition, cannabis can increase focus and risk-taking behaviors, allowing athletes to forget bad falls or previous trauma in sport, and push themselves past those fears in competition.[1]

thanks

THC is a PED wrote:

Cannabis can cause muscle relaxation and reduce pain during post-workout recovery.

irrelevant to performance. All kinds of legal substances do the same just as effectively.

It can also decrease anxiety and tension, resulting in better sport performance under pressure. In addition, cannabis can increase focus and risk-taking behaviors, allowing athletes to forget bad falls or previous trauma in sport, and push themselves past those fears in competition.[1]

Whatever that source of theirs says is full of crap. Weed is much more likely to cause anxiety than relieve it; risk-taking is not a "performance enhancement," particularly in athletics; the only "increased focus" is a zombie-like trance in front of a TV or other object.

So how come THC is banned and caffiene is not?

Both perfomance enhancing.

Altitude. Altitude tents. Training... training is performancing enhancing. Ibuprofen. Sleep. Food.

All performancing enhancing drugs or protocols.

Lying bro wrote:

I work in a rehab where I tested patience for drug usage.... I’m going to call it for how it is, she’s lying. You will never test positive for THC by rubbing CBD lotion on. She smoked it.... you can’t even test positive for second hand smoke YET lotion!

Thank you. I don't believe it for a second. Every person who fails a drug test comes up with a story, and 99.9% of them are bogus. You would have to be using A LOT of cream to test positive. Here's what I've been able to find out:

The USADA limit stated in the Lauren Goss press release (

) is >180ng/mL. Meanwhile this article (

) suggests that in order to be detected over the standard >50ng/mL drug test limit, you would have to be using 1000-2000mg of CBD oil in order to test positive (I'm guessing this would be 1000-2000mg on a daily or at least regular basis). Okay, so maybe there was a higher THC level in her CBD cream, but given that the testing threshold is 3.6 times higher for USADA, that means she was using copious amounts of this cream AND that was 3.6 times the allowable amount of THC.

The little jar I bought over 6 months ago and have used almost daily for my ankle contained 250mg of CBD oil. And I've got plenty of it left. And yes, I am quite certain that it is helping me recover from my injury in the tiny amount that I am using. And no, I'm not afraid of failing a drug test.

If something is supposedly helping you get over an ankle injury and you believe it's working, why would you have to use it for 6 months? Sounds like a joke. I can knock most injuries of soft tissue, ligament, muscle out in less than a week with dry needling.

wejo wrote:

Unrelated - why is THC considered a performance enhancing substance?

THC is definitely performance enhancing for endurance sports. It's been common in the ultra scene for a long time, and there's a growing body of research to back up what people already know anecdotally. It relieves pain. Or some would say that it reduces the immediacy of pain and makes it seem less urgent, so you can view it more like data and less as something emotionally distressing that makes you desperate to back off. That makes pot quite unlike some other pain relieves like opiates, which can cause people to go out way too hard and totally blow up because they aren't perceiving their body's feedback.

800 dude wrote:

wejo wrote:

Unrelated - why is THC considered a performance enhancing substance?

THC is definitely performance enhancing for endurance sports. It's been common in the ultra scene for a long time, and there's a growing body of research to back up what people already know anecdotally. It relieves pain. Or some would say that it reduces the immediacy of pain and makes it seem less urgent, so you can view it more like data and less as something emotionally distressing that makes you desperate to back off. That makes pot quite unlike some other pain relieves like opiates, which can cause people to go out way too hard and totally blow up because they aren't perceiving their body's feedback.

https://www.outsideonline.com/1928651/can-pot-make-you-better-athlete

Yes and No. No stranger to the topic here..

It widely depends on the person. If they're a very regular consumer, THC while exercising may heighten a mindset similar to caffeine but more introspectively for a lack of a better term. I can promise you, it's likely not going to enhance exercise output, or increase oxygen efficiency, and that's the main reason for most endurance PEDs.

I do agree that cannabis, whatever the blend is after exercise/races is appreciated, calms the stomach and engages the mind and body (sorry for the hippy dippy phrase.) Then again, if you don't use cannabis, especially THC, there will be no enhancing benefits going on, unless your DNA lets you interact with the substance well off the bat. Many don't enjoy that heightened perspective, hence the anxiety. Full Spectrum Hemp with CBD infused with other cannabinoids like CBG, CBC, CBN and various terpenes is what I'd recommend to somebody who's naive to the plant but wanting to try or learn more.

They're finding low doses of THC like a blend with a 2-1 CBD to THC, I've seen some 10-1 CBD to THC blends that a lot of people with chronic pain from injuries absolutely love. Some of these people were about as anti the whole movement as it could get too just a few years ago.

The endocannabinoid system interacts with other major systems of the body, and to dismiss components of the plant is just ignorance. The majority of that is still rooted in reefer madness or getting stupid high one time years ago and it was an awful experience for you. CBD and other cannabinoids are as real as anything else read in a medical textbook.

I wish more athletes would just come out and talk about this. It's happening more in other sports. It doesn't need to be in an obnoxious pot leaf costume nonsense either, but have open forums and let the conversation gain more education and transparency. How athletes use it in training/recovery, why is this so damn hard to accept or rationalize? Track and Field is still clearly afraid of this. Even in Ultra running, from what I can see some known proponents are black balled in a sport where you're running ultra distances in the mountains, yet the topic of cannabis is still taboo. Just unreal. Unfortunate it's still met with such resistance and weirdness at times.

(I am in a Legal Medical State)

She didn't get popped because of the cream. She had to have ingested THC some other way. Let's face it, this woman is throwing away a successful career because she'd rather get high. That's the real story, and why smoking weed is dangerous for some people.

This should be an easy fix for her. If she got nailed because her THC was too high due to incorrect product labels, seems to me that she'd have a pretty clear case to successfully sue the CBD producer for damages. Problem solved. :-)

lol what a drug addict loser.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, DRUGGIE

ricroll wrote:

So how come THC is banned and caffiene is not?

Both perfomance enhancing.

Altitude. Altitude tents. Training... training is performancing enhancing. Ibuprofen. Sleep. Food.

All performancing enhancing drugs or protocols.

For real. Caffeine is widely known and used by runners, and all others wanting an enhanced focus, energy, etc. It’s backwards to punish an athlete for CBD or THC while letting other supplements and, and especially caffeine, slide.

Yes, I’d probably avoid it as a pro just to be safe, but as a community and sport we should make more uniform standards on drugs. This feels unfair to my common sense.

Great post, Coffee Bacon.

Libertarian Centrist wrote:

Illegal in 50 states? Weed is legal for recreational use in at least 11 states, including CO., where Goss resides.

Sensible decision by her sponsors. Marijuana is still currently illegal in all 50 states! I personally cannot support marijuana or CBD usage on a moral or ethical basis.

Edit (my comments mistakenly included in the quoted reply): Illegal in 50 states? Weed is legal for recreational use in at least 11 states, including CO., where Goss resides.

Libertarian Centrist wrote:

Sensible decision by her sponsors. Marijuana is still currently illegal in all 50 states! I personally cannot support marijuana or CBD usage on a moral or ethical basis.

Canadian snowboarder Ross Regabliati was briefly stripped of his gold medal in 1998 for testing positive for THC.

(Canada's reaction? "Dude, he's a snowboarder: give him back his medal.")

He now has a CBD company. He also believes cannabis should be considered performance enhancing in some competitions, especially extreme sports.

Danny Democrat wrote:

She didn't get popped because of the cream. She had to have ingested THC some other way. Let's face it, this woman is throwing away a successful career because she'd rather get high. That's the real story, and why smoking weed is dangerous for some people.

Now go drink your beer, you druggie.