Charlie Grice 4th in the world but not going to Worlds

eezyryder wrote:

Anybody notice this, Charlie Grice ran 3.30.62 this year and going 4th all time in the UK and has not been selected for the worlds. I know he had a bad race at the trials in a 3.50 race but surely the selectors must throw him a bone . Backward UKA selection policy about to backfire again for the Brits

YAWN. Wouldn't be a factor internationally - like most brits.

eezyryder wrote:

exactly, all these people posting negative stuff should be looking at his amazing form coming into the trials. He was winning high standard races for fun and running superfast times. I really hope they can give him a wild card or something

Had Grice won the race in Monaco in 3:30, then you may have a point; but he didn't.

To navigate through the rounds at a major Champs you need to have a good kick in some slow, tactical races. UNfortunately, Grice was left wanting in just such a race at the trials. A Championship final is more likely to be a similar tactical affair than a paced effort at 3:30. Unless he was ill or injured on the day of the trials, then I think they had to choose Jake Wightman over him.

'Buster' Langford finished 8th in the 800 but still got picked. I wonder how much influence Paula had in that decision? Gary Lough is his agent....also employed as coach to Mo and recently was a named UKA coach and think he might have been a selectors too? The perfect Storm of conflicts of interest? Sure Nike are involved in there somewhere too....

After all 'he's a star why shouldn't he shine'

Another angry Brit wrote:

chokesy wrote:

If you can’t handle the pressure at the domestic champs why should they have faith you can at the World Champs? Surprised they let Langford on after his choking in the final.

Ironic choice of words.

Well played.

From an American cousin wrote:

Can someone explain his career trajectory? Before 2017, he looked like he had a great future. He won the British Championship three years in row, in 2014/15/16. Since then, he's finished 5/4/4 at Nationals. He hasn't done any better internationally. He's been competitive in lower tier races, but not in the big leagues. His highest finish in the DL is the 4th at Monaco this year. and except for his 3:30 in that race, he's only run 3:34 since 2016. Ditto for international championships.

What happened? Why hasn't he delivered on the promise of those early years? It doesn't look like he got pushed aside by a new generation of British runners. Was he injured? Or did he just reach his peak early?

His name got too big on his bib and weighed him down

If this fella is so fast and Britain's only hope then he should have won.

At the end of the day, PRs and times don't matter. Places do. And he didn't show up on the day.

Grice is the fastest they've had in many years and they drop him. No good for their chances.

It happens.

Keni bombed the trials for Rio, and so the US didn't send her, although (as subsequently proven) she was the best in the world, and in history, at her event.

Some of the stuff in this thread is hilariously lacking in logic, both pro and anti-Grice.

Um, there were 3 better than him at the UK champs. He was 4th so by definition there were 3 better than him in a championship style race which is what Worlds is.

But then someone who rips Grice, writes something equally as stupid.

What? They write that he hasn't been competitive in the big leagues. He was 4th in Monaco - that's the biggest non WC race of the year. They talk about how it once looked like he had a great future and wonder why hasn't he delivered on the promise? Hello, he just ran 3:30. Do you know how fast that is?

KNowing next to nothing about his coaching/training, just spending 15 seconds on tilastapaja, he reminds me of Steve Holman. Super fast but a bit lacking when it counts in tactical domestic championships. I always thought that came from Holman not being fit enough.

Grice doesn't even have a 5k PB listed. ONly 1 3k as well. Go run a winter xc season, with a 5k in there. Let me coach him. No way in hell should a 3:30 guy not being making the British team.

The world championship 1500 should be between the top 12 runners by form, period. No heats, no standards. Deadline is a week before the meet. They'd be racing all year just to make sure they got a competitive time on the leaderboard.

Every shorter distance should be top 8. 9th? Sorry, you're out. No national quotas, no extra rules or workarounds.

You guys are always going on about what makes the US trials so exciting, first 3 past the post, when it happens elsewhere (whether by design or not) you get the sympathy brigade for Grice. Grice should know what he has to do...if he doesn't then thats his problem.

Everyone is aware, that for whatever reason Monaco produces a ton of fast 1500 times. Grace was the recipient of that good fortune this year. Replicate it, show it's not an outlier/fluke and more importantly do it when it counts, in your trials. Do that and your on the team. It really is that simple.

If it's all PBs Crams is still faster than Grice, take him!

If you think anyone can just rock up at Monaco or even get in to that race without having fantastic form and without winning a series of high profile races which Grice did , a few 3.34.xx you are mistaken , and then see the runners he beat at Monaco. As I said rules are rules but I think there are exceptions and in this case he deserves a lifeline IMO

I just checked the USATF 1500 mens stats and he is a massive 4.5 secs faster than any other 1500 guy and has ran faster than him on 3 occasions this season. Jus sayin'

Iizhzhzu wrote:

one trick pony wrote:

Compared to his 3.30 this year, his championship results have not been impressive. Look at how the other fast Brits ran in championships, a world of difference, putting together impressive performances on consecutive days and doing that year after year.

This post is just plain stupid. The guy ran 3:30. There are not 3 better than him.

Whilst your opinion that there can not be three better than him may be correct - this post shows a complete lack of awareness of how selection works (or a lack of intelligence to understand it).

The first two runners have the standard - are you really advocating for a system where someone can win the trials / get top 2, have the qualification standard and not attend?

It is then Jake Wightman v Charlie Grice. If you think it is beyond debate that Grice is better than Wightman, then you do not follow athletics very closely.

eezyryder wrote:

Anybody notice this, Charlie Grice ran 3.30.62 this year and going 4th all time in the UK and has not been selected for the worlds. I know he had a bad race at the trials in a 3.50 race but surely the selectors must throw him a bone . Backward UKA selection policy about to backfire again for the Brits

Assuming this comes from a U.S. perspective, then - huh?

He would have been in an even worse position under the U.S. policy, and in a similar or worse position under the selection policies of most European teams.

Your problem is more likely to be with the application of British Athletics' discretion - but you've failed to even consider what their decision was.

Glad an expert started this thread for us all. Also who are UKA. Huh??

chokesy wrote:

If you can’t handle the pressure at the domestic champs why should they have faith you can at the World Champs? Surprised they let Langford on after his choking in the final.

Who was he choking this time?

eezyryder wrote:

I just checked the USATF 1500 mens stats and he is a massive 4.5 secs faster than any other 1500 guy and has ran faster than him on 3 occasions this season. Jus sayin'

Except that three of those Americans will be in Doha and Grice will not.

Letsrun has this weird obsession with time. Racing about is who wins, times do not matter.

TIMES DO NOT MATTER.

PLACES DO.

RUN TO WIN.

He got 4th on the day plain and simple. His past races don't matter, he couldn't get it done and WIN.

eezyryder wrote:

I just checked the USATF 1500 mens stats and he is a massive 4.5 secs faster than any other 1500 guy and has ran faster than him on 3 occasions this season. Jus sayin'

I just checked the UK champs results. Some guy named Neil Gourley won.