Butchart, Ingebrigtsen, McSweyne, Wanders all flop in Zurich. Sad

Short answer: you're looking at the clean competitors and comparing them to the doped freaks that beat them. This is why the 5000 needed to be scrapped: to help put an end to the disgusting Italian-African cheating cabal.

Julien Wanders have two problems: training and mentality. Few days ago he raced 4 times in 2 days over 800m and 1500m. Later he was in intensive training. In interview he said that his leg were very "heavy" during this race. His coach (Marco) and Canova said that bad results on the track last season could be caused by overtraining. When Canova says about overtraining, that means is was too intensive.

This year he's prepared a lot better mentally. Last season he couldn't deal with pressure and so many spectators.

Ghost1 wrote:

There were great expectations for Butchart (13.24), Ingebrigtsen (13.30), McSweyne (13.32), Wanders (13.45), but they all ran disappointingly, but credit to them for finishing (Tiernan dropped out).

Over prepared ? Too great expectations and pressure ? McSweyne was predicted to challenge Mottram's OZ record. Wanders -this guy works so hard -was he over cooked by now ?

Discuss.

Have you watched the race? Tiernan was pacing....

None of the reasons you list.... Whats "over-prepared? Mean overtraining?

One race too many for some (Paris and Birmingham in the last two weeks), pace too ambitious for others (Wanders wont go anywhere if he sets off at 12'55" pace right now) and more importantly none of these guys has done any taper yet with Doha still a month away....

Last year Julien Wanders SB for 10.000m was over 28 minutes. This year during ethiopian trails he was going in very fast pace and he had 27:17. Sometimes you just have to keep up with the fastest guys for how long you can.

Have the Africans done any taper? The time difference is much larger now than earlier in the season (But 13:06)

Julien Wanders' message from instagram.

It was tough, very tough, but this is sport.

I will need 1-2 days to evacuate the frustration and then I will bounce back, because the big mission is ahead !

I wanted to thank @weltklassezurich to let me the opportunity to enter in such a race and to the amazing crowd !

Also a big congrats to @joshuacheptegei for the win, you deserve it !

Ghost1 wrote:

but credit to them for finishing (Tiernan dropped out).

Discuss.

Moran.

Ghost1 wrote:

There were great expectations for Butchart (13.24), Ingebrigtsen (13.30), McSweyne (13.32), Wanders (13.45), but they all ran disappointingly, but credit to them for finishing (Tiernan dropped out).

Over prepared ? Too great expectations and pressure ? McSweyne was predicted to challenge Mottram's OZ record. Wanders -this guy works so hard -was he over cooked by now ?

Discuss.

Failure of the white runners.

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

but credit to them for finishing (Tiernan dropped out).

Discuss.

Moran.

+1

If you're going to have a go at people anonymously on a message board, at least do your research or understand the sport.

Wanders will be fine. On to the WC's.

Seriously, so many posters on this board have become numb. The WR in the 5000m is blatant drug cheating. GET OVER IT. No disrespect to Bekele he's a great talent but come on people let's be real here. I really think 12:5x is the human limit.

HOOWIE wrote:

Seriously, so many posters on this board have become numb. The WR in the 5000m is blatant drug cheating. GET OVER IT. No disrespect to Bekele he's a great talent but come on people let's be real here. I really think 12:5x is the human limit.

I think that 4 minute mile is human limit

HOOWIE wrote:

Seriously, so many posters on this board have become numb. The WR in the 5000m is blatant drug cheating. GET OVER IT. No disrespect to Bekele he's a great talent but come on people let's be real here. I really think 12:5x is the human limit.

My coaching and it`s results shows that faster records than the standing up to date are possible on just natural training without drug cheating…… I`m sure! And I hope I will be the coach to at least one of those new records. Cheers!

- The Magic One -

big dave22 wrote:

Short answer: you're looking at the clean competitors and comparing them to the doped freaks that beat them. This is why the 5000 needed to be scrapped: to help put an end to the disgusting Italian-African cheating cabal.

So with your logic the other Ingebrigtsen brothers have been doping. Add in my logic and they are all doping. Guilty by blood association. See what I did there.

big dave22 wrote:

This is why the 5000 needed to be scrapped: to help put an end to the disgusting Italian-African cheating cabal.

Briana Williams and Christian Coleman have Italian agents?

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

but credit to them for finishing (Tiernan dropped out).

Discuss.

Moran.

+1

Clueless.

All the times were a little on the slow side, I mean the Ethiopian continent was 10-15 seconds slower than the final last year and Chelimo struggled. I didn't see the race, only the letsun review. Was it hot? wind? a bad moon? maybe everybody is a little overcooked from World champs prep.

big dave22 wrote:

Short answer: you're looking at the clean competitors and comparing them to the doped freaks that beat them. This is why the 5000 needed to be scrapped: to help put an end to the disgusting Italian-African cheating cabal.

Load of crap.

Jakob ran 13:02 and held Gebriwhet (came second in this) to the line. Is he doped then?

Idiot post

big dave22 wrote:

Short answer: you're looking at the clean competitors and comparing them to the doped freaks that beat them. This is why the 5000 needed to be scrapped: to help put an end to the disgusting Italian-African cheating cabal.

Wanders has run 27:25 but only managed 13:45 in that 5k.

So he ran slower than his own 10,000m pace in the 5k because the other competitors are doped? Idiot.