Debate time: Which team will have the higher World Championship medal count: NOP vs. Bowerman?

This question doesn't even need to be asked.

NOP should get between 2 (worst-case) and 6 (best-case — sorry nothing for Hull). Bowerman should get 0 (worst-case) and 3 (best-case — can't see the women at 5K and both steeplers medaling). So the answer is pretty heavily tilted to NOP.

No debate needed. One groups goal is to win global medals. One groups goal is to win US titles.

Daltonj800m wrote:

For the sake of this debate, I'm counting all medals equal as I'm just curious about total medal count not specifics on gold, silver, and bronze medal counts. Which training group will have the highest medal count from the world championship? Men and Women count

Most Notable Medal Contenders

NOP:

5000m: Konstanze Klosterhalfen , Sifan Hassan, and Yomif Kejelcha

800m: Donavan Brazier and Clayton Murphy

10,000m: Yomif Kejelcha

1500m: Jessica Hull

Bowerman TC

1500m: Shelby Houlihan and Matt Centrowitz

3000mSC: Courtney Frerichs and Colleen Quigley

5000m: Karissa Shweizer and Shelby Houlihan

I can understand why Lomong was excluded as a non-contender, but no love for Engels?

If it weren’t for women’s SC, I’d say Bowerman gets skunked.

I hope I’m wrong and the USA cleans up regardless of club.

doot doot wrote:

Daltonj800m wrote:

For the sake of this debate, I'm counting all medals equal as I'm just curious about total medal count not specifics on gold, silver, and bronze medal counts. Which training group will have the highest medal count from the world championship? Men and Women count

Most Notable Medal Contenders

NOP:

5000m: Konstanze Klosterhalfen , Sifan Hassan, and Yomif Kejelcha

800m: Donavan Brazier and Clayton Murphy

10,000m: Yomif Kejelcha

1500m: Jessica Hull

Bowerman TC

1500m: Shelby Houlihan and Matt Centrowitz

3000mSC: Courtney Frerichs and Colleen Quigley

5000m: Karissa Shweizer and Shelby Houlihan

I can understand why Lomong was excluded as a non-contender, but no love for Engels?

If it weren’t for women’s SC, I’d say Bowerman gets skunked.

I hope I’m wrong and the USA cleans up regardless of club.

Personally, I think the roster for the 1500m is too strong for Engels. He can out-tactic Centrowitz, but with Jakob, Cheruiyot, Tefera, and and Musagala. And I think Centrowitz's tactical nature and experience gives him the edge at world's despite his injuries. I also now question whether or no Yomif can pull off the double. I can see him easily medaling in the 5k, but I'm not so sure how the fatigue will affect his 10000m

Team Ingebrigtsen

NOP will have about 4 while Bowerman will have 0.

Daltonj800m wrote:

doot doot wrote:

I can understand why Lomong was excluded as a non-contender, but no love for Engels?

If it weren’t for women’s SC, I’d say Bowerman gets skunked.

I hope I’m wrong and the USA cleans up regardless of club.

Personally, I think the roster for the 1500m is too strong for Engels. He can out-tactic Centrowitz, but with Jakob, Cheruiyot, Tefera, and and Musagala. And I think Centrowitz's tactical nature and experience gives him the edge at world's despite his injuries. I also now question whether or no Yomif can pull off the double. I can see him easily medaling in the 5k, but I'm not so sure how the fatigue will affect his 10000m

With 4 Kenyans, 2 Ingebrigtsens and Lewandowski in the 1500m nobody else has a shot.

Daltonj800m wrote:Most Notable Medal Contenders

NOP:

5000m: Konstanze Klosterhalfen , Sifan Hassan, and Yomif Kejelcha

800m: Donavan Brazier and Clayton Murphy

10,000m: Yomif Kejelcha

1500m: Jessica Hull

Bowerman TC

1500m: Shelby Houlihan and Matt Centrowitz

3000mSC: Courtney Frerichs and Colleen Quigley

5000m: Karissa Shweizer and Shelby Houlihan

Donavan Brazier and Clayton Murphy, pretty good shot.

Konstanze Klosterhalfen , Sifan Hassan, and Yomif Kejelcha, yes.

Yomif Kejelcha at 10000, no.

Jessica Hull, no.

Shelby Houlihan, yes. Centro, no.

Courtney Frerichs and Colleen Quigley, Courtney, maybe and Colleen, no.

Shelby Houlihan, yes. Karissa Shweizer, no.

Brazier, murphy

Vs

Lomong, houlihan, centro, freirichs

Daltonj800m wrote:

For the sake of this debate, I'm counting all medals equal as I'm just curious about total medal count not specifics on gold, silver, and bronze medal counts. Which training group will have the highest medal count from the world championship? Men and Women count

Most Notable Medal Contenders

NOP:

5000m: Konstanze Klosterhalfen , Sifan Hassan, and Yomif Kejelcha

800m: Donavan Brazier and Clayton Murphy

10,000m: Yomif Kejelcha

1500m: Jessica Hull

Bowerman TC

1500m: Shelby Houlihan and Matt Centrowitz

3000mSC: Courtney Frerichs and Colleen Quigley

5000m: Karissa Shweizer and Shelby Houlihan

The question that is much more interesting to me is who will get more medals from Americans. Bowerman or NOP.

NOP:

800m: Donavan Brazier and Clayton Murphy

Bowerman TC

1500m: Shelby Houlihan and Matt Centrowitz

3000mSC: Courtney Frerichs and Colleen Quigley

That may end up being a 1-1 tie.

5000m: Karissa Shweizer and Shelby Houlihan[/quote]

Isn’t Houlihan only doing the 1500?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that they will all be representing their countries and not their training groups. It is really pretty petty to look at it any other way

Oh wait. This is letsrun

It's all for fun. No one seriously cares about which team does better. It just gives more life to the meet than just seeing who gets the gold as individuals.

Well I actually sort of care, now that this thread has been created.

But it really is fun to think about.

Can someone tell me why they don't think Lomong will medal?

Fmsnfndk wrote:

Can someone tell me why they don't think Lomong will medal?

Last few world championships have been fast. So a sit and kick for a 27:30-28:00 10000 race will not happen. You'll have the following STUDS in the field: Joshua Cheptegei (a absolute BEAST, he is my favorite runner currently), Hagos Gebrhiwet (who has the current world lead at 10000 and has 5000 PB of 12:45), Selemon Barega(second best 10000 time of 2019 and went 12:43 last year for 5000) and Rhonex Kipruto (who has just been absolute ANIMAL on the roads. Running some of the best road 10k times in history. And ran a 26:50 in BRUTAL conditions earlier this year on the track). The men I mentioned above are who you should be thinking about when it comes to top contender. With all of these ALPHA MALES in this races, it will go sub 27 and Lomong probably will not be able to keep up with that BRUTAL pace.

Fmsnfndk wrote:

Well I actually sort of care, now that this thread has been created.

But it really is fun to think about.

Can someone tell me why they don't think Lomong will medal?

I believe that between the Ethiopian trio (Kejelcha, Barega, and Gebrhiwet) and Kipruto having over 30 seconds on his PB and the willingness of the Ethiopians to make some really bold moves during their races is enough to overwhelm Lomong.

I don't know why these STUDS are so under appreciated on LRC. Rhonex Kipruto 27:08 in Central Park is just incredible. And he has went sub 27 on the roads. His road 10k PB is just 2 seconds off the world record.

Is Cheptegei in the 10000m? I thought he was focusing on 5000m a worlds