Full D1 skolly chance?

428-932-1604 wrote:

My prs are 428-932-1604. SAT is 1150 with mostly AP courses. Weighted gpa of 3.9. I'm a rising senior boy and times are jr outdoor cept 5k was cross.

What's the chance I can get a full skolly at some decent running D1 programs.

Thank you. East coast preferred not required

My son 4:13/9:12/15:18 got a lot of interest from D1 programs and a small scholarship from a P5 school. Your times might get you a call back or an unofficial visit but I would not expect a scholarship at a D1 school. The best thing to do is start a conversation with coaches and try to get a preferred walk on slot. I generally wouldn’t recommend going to a school because of the coach but in your case creating a relationship might be the best path to making a team. That gives you the entire senior season and the summer leading into college to train and get your times down to a D1 standard. Good luck!

Walking it wrote:

Do athletes invited to walk on receive the same team perks as the scholarship athletes? Nutrition - trainers - facility access - shoes - gear etc?

Do some D1 schools who aren’t fully funded not provide equipment (training shoes -spikes) or does the partial funding only apply to scholarships.

At our P5 school, walk-ons received the same gear, and had access to the facilities/staff as everyone else.

However they weren’t allowed to eat at training table with us, worked out separately to the main team and only ever got to race home meets, or local races. They also had very little attention/coaching from our coaching staff.

That is strange. Most runners have no idea what amount of scholarship their team members have. Take a team like Michigan with 40 guys on the XC team. 20 are probably walk-ons, 10x.10, 8x.25, 1x.5, and 1x.75. The guys wouldn't know that.

P5 walker wrote:

At our P5 school, walk-ons received the same gear, and had access to the facilities/staff as everyone else.

However they weren’t allowed to eat at training table with us, worked out separately to the main team and only ever got to race home meets, or local races. They also had very little attention/coaching from our coaching staff.

Yeah this does seem a bit strange. There were no "hard rules" about not eating together or working out separately, although the top guys did tend to hang out with each other and the top girls.

Agree on the very little attention and running only home or local meets.

I mean, you open yourself up to some criticism/rude comments by posting on LRC. Your times are solid but are just a shade off from where they need to be. You rarely see full scholarships even for faster runners. For most D1 types you can walk on as others have said with 4:20/9:20 & being good at cross. You might get some looks from non power conference schools if you get a little quicker.

I always recommend thinking about what you want to major in & what school gives you an opportunity to pursue your interests post graduation. Someone at my HS walked onto Harvard with 4:30/9:30. They also were brilliant and had a nearly perfect SAT. I assume they worked with the coach to help give them a boost in the admissions process. The D3 NESCAC schools are all good options to look at. You can have fun with running and still improve and get a fantastic education. I would think about taking the SAT again. If you improve there maybe you can work with a coach at a NESCAC type to get into more of a reach school that fits with what you want to do. Just my $.02.

PAD3 wrote:

Unfortunately for D1 you become a small fish in a very big pond. I knew a guy that got a full ride to Syracuse. He was from my town. He ran 1:55.46, 4:11.13, 8:24.08, 9:01.77, and 14:59.0. He was one of the top 3 runners in PA in XC and PA 3200 State Champ in track. That's the level you need to be at for a full scholarship. One of my D3 teammates ran 4:27, 9:37, and 15:58 (similar to you). He only looked at non mid majors and D3 schools because those were the best options

Henderson got a full at Syracuse? Dang. That was a crazy year. It was my first year running in HS and looking back, the amount of talent PA had was ridiculous.. being that young I didn't realize just how good those guys were at the time. Unreal.

Also, to answer the OPs question: no. Unless you get the SAT up your won't get a "full" ride. Very very few distance runners get full rides through athletic money alone, and your SAT won't get you much academic help unless the schools academics are trash. The times can get a a little if you ran them off of fairly low mileage and are looking at schools outside of the P5.

formerD1 wrote:

P5 walker wrote:

At our P5 school, walk-ons received the same gear, and had access to the facilities/staff as everyone else.

However they weren’t allowed to eat at training table with us, worked out separately to the main team and only ever got to race home meets, or local races. They also had very little attention/coaching from our coaching staff.

Yeah this does seem a bit strange. There were no "hard rules" about not eating together or working out separately, although the top guys did tend to hang out with each other and the top girls.

Agree on the very little attention and running only home or local meets.

The reason walk-ons couldn’t eat with us was a university policy for all sports, not XC specific. The university provided free meals six times a week, which you had to be on scholarship to be able to eat.

We could run together, but on workout days they were in a separate group, as the paces would have been too hard for them.

Find the right school for you. I have coached a few kids who got plenty of money with similar or lesser marks because they went to school to get an education first and foremost, and running was a way to pay for part of it. They settled for a lesser running program but got the right academic program and the money. Several kids who ran for our program actually MADE money, in fact, with similar marks. Right now one of them has academic and athletic money that adds up not only to a full ride but to an excess of over $4000 per year, and he gets to keep it.

Scholarship and speed after the first year do not correlate so to say they were too slow is incorrect. And why didn't the coach put everyone on some type of scholarship to get them the meals? Many track athletes are on 10% scholarship.