The Ingebrigtsen aren't clean; 1.5&5. Here’s why:

This is a very logical posting and describes the mindset of many of the individuals in the Letsrun Forum Community

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Jakob Ingebrigtsen poses a contradictory problem for those who think that all talented young Africans are doping and or age cheating. These arguments were based around the fact that it was seemingly impossible to run 3:30 at 17/18

Now we have a white boy who is certainly 18 running crazy times and letsrun wants to celebrate his achievements (quite rightly).

However, clearly this poses a problem for the disbelief posters have about the African teens.

Posters must then bend over backwards to create arguments which satisfy the theoretical situation that Jakob is clean and all the Africans are not.

You have posters who claim to have "studied logic(??) at a top university" coming up with the idea that Amos is age cheating despite Botswana having mandatory birth registration like Norway whilst Jakob is clean despite his brothers appearing on the fancy bears report.

You can't have it both ways. Hopefully Jakob has taught the more open minded of you that teenagers from anywhere can perform amazing athletic feats

they work hard. they train smart

but 3/10 for effort

Conversely, teenagers from anywhere can be doped.

Lol. It's an idiot post bumped by the same person under a different handle.

The only contradictory problem is in this posters head.

What a disingenuous post. Twisting what people say is just for starters with you.

The number of Africans suddenly putting up world class times at precisely the same time Dr. Rosa decides to visit the Dark Continent is what first raised eyebrows.

No one has said all Africans are doping. But most are. This is obvious now, and not only because on the very, extremely rare occasions that one is tested out of season / out of competition, they're found to be doping. Literally every single time.

Bernard Lagat was let off on a technicality, not because of a false positive.

Jakob is extremely well trained, and talented. And his age can be verified. Most African juniors are age cheats, which even several Africans have admitted. Hell, look at most of the E. African juniors. Look at what Jakob lined up against at the World Cross champs. LOL. Was there an Ethiopian under 30 in the junior race?

People should look into soccer and see what the sport did to stop African age cheating. Sure, there were a few age cheats here and there in other countries, but there were literally zero juniors on any Sub-Saharan African teams. Track should revise the rules, make the junior limit 18, and use the same MRI wrist test on athletes. No doubt we'll hear cries of racism.

Jakob is tested. Constantly. Having to go through 20 or more tests a year. The same hassle that other hated runers (hated by WDOWTIN's ilk because of their complexion, runners like Rupp), while Africans might endure zero out of season tests, or maybe a couple with advance warning. If they aren't ready for the tests, they just skip them like Amos did, then come up with weak excuses that officials allow for political reasons.

"Mandatory birth registration" doesn't mean accuracy in reporting birth dates. But you know this. You're just dishonest. You're not open minded. You're just open to hatred of whites. Whether it's innate because you're part of the usual suspects or you're just another brainwashed swallower of anti-Western drivel doesn't matter. You're all tools.

Go back to soc professor's lap.

A lot of words. Mostly opinions. Little or no facts in your post. So Mr. European man, how confident are you regarding how clean are Ing boys? Are you related to Ing boys Mr. European man? I cannot believe anyone but a blood relative would type in the manner in which you typed.

ex-runner wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

Yes but Russia and the US are across the board, mainly sprints, jumps, walks and throws. Virtually all the Moroccans are 1500-5,000m men, not to mention Moroccans that have failed under other nationalities and if memory serves me correctly this site is called Letsrun.

Poster claimed that Morocco had a state sponsored doping operation like Russia. I used facts to state that is incorrect. If anyone had organised doping operations it was Spain, do your own research. And statistics say perhaps the USA also. And Lance says the USA also.

Moroccan government wouldn't be able to organise a tea party. Instead there was a lack of testing but that was present across the world at the time.

I think you will find that back many, many years ago Morocco concluded that they wanted the country to succeed in sport but they only had the resources to compete in running and soccer. They scoured the country for sporting talent using a sprint speed test, a standing long jump and some sort of Vo2Max test. This was how the likes of El Guerrouj were found. I'm pretty sure he then left home at a young age to train in a national academy. Sounds somewhat state run to me. Ifrane is quite a remote location to get drugs to, enough for 30-50 runners in camp.

,/jb wrote:

Chilli Boy wrote:

Because you have personally blown every Ingebrigtsen, one and all, and, based on your decades-long experience in jism analysis, can truly testify that they are all PEDs abusers. In fact, the IOC hired you in 1988 to blow Ben Johnson and you were the first to declare him dirty. When Gatlin got banned, there you were, wiping your chin and giving the nod. Without you, the sport would have died long ago. Thanks, Bruv, for saving it once again. Don't be shy, take a bow.

Please stop with the pornographic posts. What the heck is wrong with you?

Mods, I agree this post is too disturbing.I wish y'all wouldn't leave this nasty stuff up. It is gutter level stuff. It brings your site down.

If a Norwegian father with no history in athletics can develop a comprehensive training program so that his three sons are competitive on the international stage, it is not unreasonable to assume that he could develop abilities in other areas related to athletic performance. Remember BALCO? Vic Conte was not a bichemist, and yet, on his own, he developed the Clear which was undetectable.

Once you get under 3.28 then its pretty clear

when i first heard of them my first thought was 'the ma family army part 2' .i havent changed my mind.

I would suggest it may even be 3.30.

I think you're right. A family that showed from an early age they were faster than most of the best in their sport. More "caterpillar juice".

The Youngs and the Tuohys certainly are the 2 most suspicious families..

ma junren trained his squad on dog stew and turtle soup,so he said.

I agree with you. It seems odd how we do not question Jakob, but everyone else. Also, there are people who think "Jakob" is a "hero" because he "proved that East Africans are NOT the only good (naturally) runners." This smells of racist tropes.

You trade in cultural-genetic stereotypes and overplay the genetic angle among elite runners because you don't take the training seriously. This kind of training is working for a lot of individuals and teams right now, not just Gjert's boys. NAU does a lot of this type of work as well and look at what it has done for guys like Drew Bosley and Woody Kincaid this year.