Sammy 13:12/26:41
Nicholas Kemboi 13:01/26:30
Micah Kogo 13:00/26:35
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It's so hard to correlate times between 5k and 10k due to the fact that people's PR's are so dependent on getting in the right race, especially the 10k. Like there's no way Sammy shouldn't be faster in the 5k, but likely had a great opportunity for a fast 10k as did Kemboi and Kogo,
Reindeer milk...
NOPe wrote:
Galen had many chances in places like Eugene, Brussels, Paris and Zurich. It is funny how the good runners can run well there but not Galen?
Galen had opportunities for a fast time. Monaco 2011. Zurich 2012. Monaco 2013, Paris 2014. Stockholm 2014 and Brussels 2015 where he designated the pacers and stuck on them early. His problems seems to be when the rabbit drops out at 3k. He's never really been able to keep the 62's going (12:55 pace) needed for an AR (12:53) clocking which is was he was shooting for.
Monaco 2011 (Farah won in 12:53) he DNF'd pretty early for some reason. Monaco 2013 (Soi won in 12:51) they went out WAY too fast, 4:05/7:41 1600m/3k and the pacing was awful and it was hot. Stockholm 2014 (Edris won in 12:54) they went out in a smooth paced 7:45, but no one helped with the pace and Rupp started running 64 mid's. Brussels 2015 (won by Kijelcha in 12:53). Not really any excuses, he just didn't have it that day.
He really went for it on the DL in 2014, but none of the races that year were blazing. (2014 WL - Edris 12:54). You have to think, he's a 12:58 runner going for a 12:53 and DL races are rarely ever won that fast. Likely for him, everything has to go right. Kijeclha on the other hand could probably run that tomorrow if he wanted to.
Not a fan of NOP but Galen had sub 12:50 in his legs. Just racing circumstances that intervened. Jakob though has a higher ceiling in the sport. We will see what he can do.
Nah even in the training group there’s correlation Cam Levins 13:15 to 27:07 (4:16/4:21 mile pace) Even more ridiculous than Rupps so it appears to be a Salazar coaching error.
Soluble wrote:
Nah even in the training group there’s correlation Cam Levins 13:15 to 27:07 (4:16/4:21 mile pace) Even more ridiculous than Rupps so it appears to be a Salazar coaching error.
Jordan Hasay: 15:28/31:39(4:58/5:05 mile pace)
Soluble wrote:
Nah even in the training group there’s correlation Cam Levins 13:15 to 27:07 (4:16/4:21 mile pace) Even more ridiculous than Rupps so it appears to be a Salazar coaching error.
So Salazar can train someone to run a fast 10K, but fails in the 5K? I thought the training for the events was the same so how is Salazar pulling this off? And no one can run a 10K at only 5 seconds a mile slower than his 5K pace. If Levins could do it, why couldn't Bekele have done the same thing and run 25:40?
add another one to the list wrote:
Soluble wrote:
Nah even in the training group there’s correlation Cam Levins 13:15 to 27:07 (4:16/4:21 mile pace) Even more ridiculous than Rupps so it appears to be a Salazar coaching error.
Jordan Hasay: 15:28/31:39(4:58/5:05 mile pace)
Adam Goucher: 13:10/27:59 (4:14/4:30).
TrackCoach = AL SAL wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:
Dum$ Ass
First off, Rupp was primarily a racer, he only had 3 pro races where from gun to finish the the focus was clearly on time and in each of those cases he ran very fast. His indoor, mile, 2-mile, his indoor 5K and out door 10K. In all of his outdoor 5ks, there was only one, perhaps 2 legit opportunities where he should have run a much faster 5k and that's the one where he ran a12:58 and 13:02, which are fast times. You don't get credit for what you didn't do, but Rupp's 3:50i mile and a 12:49 10k almost certainly he could have run much better than a 12:58 5k.
Jakob Ingebrigsten 13:02 5K to Rupp's 12:58 5K is a comparision between athletes, there is no comparision between coaches. Coaching athltetes to WMMs victories won mutiples World and Olympics medals, Alberto is without a doubt among the worlds greatest coaches. Btw, none of this is meant to take away from Jakob Ingebrigsten becasue is probably going to win some global championship medals, but to compare Alberto to Gjert is stupid.
Wow! Why would another coach blindly praise Alberto Salazar as much as you're praise him TrackCoach? Weird. When Al Sal prematurely made Mary Cain a 1500m/5000m runner were you praising Al Sal then? Do I need to remind you that Mary Cain was a 1:59.xx 800m runner at age 17. What did 5000m/10000m/Marathon runner Al Sal say to himself: Upon Mary Cain racing 1:59.xx 800m at 17, "Looks like a 5K runner to me!" What he did to Mary Cain also goes on Al Sal's resume.
This thread makes no sense, I wish it would go away.
re: "Al Sal prematurely made Mary Cain a 1500m/5000m runner"
I don't ever recall hearing AlSal or Cain say she was a 1500m/5000m runner. If I was coaching Cain and she showed potential in the 100m dash, I would give her the opportunity to run it. When you are coaching a young athlete with an abundance of talent, it is not uncommon to explore events.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
add another one to the list wrote:
Jordan Hasay: 15:28/31:39(4:58/5:05 mile pace)
Adam Goucher: 13:10/27:59 (4:14/4:30).
Meb: 13:11/27:13(4:14/4:22)
Who's to say Goucher just under preformed in the 10k? And his wife: 14:55/30:55(4:48/4:58).
what about Meb? wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Adam Goucher: 13:10/27:59 (4:14/4:30).
Meb: 13:11/27:13(4:14/4:22)
Who's to say Goucher just under preformed in the 10k? And his wife: 14:55/30:55(4:48/4:58).
Ritz was 4:10/4:24. The point is that a PR doesn't always match a runner's ultimate potential. Bekele's mile PR was 4:01 and his 5K pace was 4:03.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
what about Meb? wrote:
Meb: 13:11/27:13(4:14/4:22)
Who's to say Goucher just under preformed in the 10k? And his wife: 14:55/30:55(4:48/4:58).
Ritz was 4:10/4:24. The point is that a PR doesn't always match a runner's ultimate potential. Bekele's mile PR was 4:01 and his 5K pace was 4:03.
His indoor 2000m indoor record meant he had to go through in about 3:52. Which based off his 1500 PB, 3:50/3:49 ish was his potential at the mile. How many 3:50/3:49 milers have matched his feats at 3000m and above?
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SDSU Aztec wrote:
Ritz was 4:10/4:24. The point is that a PR doesn't always match a runner's ultimate potential. Bekele's mile PR was 4:01 and his 5K pace was 4:03.
His indoor 2000m indoor record meant he had to go through in about 3:52. Which based off his 1500 PB, 3:50/3:49 ish was his potential at the mile. How many 3:50/3:49 milers have matched his feats at 3000m and above?
Yeah, but a PR is a PR. All the people who are supporting the idea that there was some magic forcefield that prevented Rupp from running sub-12:50 have been cherry picking guys that never ran a PR in the 5K that matched their ability.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
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His indoor 2000m indoor record meant he had to go through in about 3:52. Which based off his 1500 PB, 3:50/3:49 ish was his potential at the mile. How many 3:50/3:49 milers have matched his feats at 3000m and above?
Yeah, but a PR is a PR. All the people who are supporting the idea that there was some magic forcefield that prevented Rupp from running sub-12:50 have been cherry picking guys that never ran a PR in the 5K that matched their ability.
There's a difference between Bekele mile PB and Rupp's 5000 PB. Bekele demonstrated via his 1500 PB and his indoor 2000m world record that if he wanted to he could easily ran 3:49/3:50 for the mile. Rupp did not demonstrate this with the 5000m.
Yeah, Al is a lousy coach... he only helped compile 5 Olympic golds for his athletes, and only an embarrassing silver and bronze for the hapless Rupp.
Hang your head in shame, Alberto!
Rupp was a good 5000 runner, but not quite top-flight. He had a good run in Birmingham in 2011, taking 2nd to Mo and outkicking the infamous Merga.
But here's his best Diamond League run, 3rd in the 2014 final. Not too shabby, he beat a lot of studs in this run. T&FN had ranked Rupp at 4th in the world for 2014, I believe.
Big Red wrote:
Yeah, Al is a lousy coach... he only helped compile 5 Olympic golds for his athletes, and only an embarrassing silver and bronze for the hapless Rupp.
Hang your head in shame, Alberto!
No need to get all dramatic. Alberto is arguably not a lousy coach. Alberto is simply not on the level of Gjert Ingebrigsten. Alberto is apparently now resigned to doping East Africans after his success with Mo Farah. Now he has Ms. Hassan and Mr. Kejelcha. It is all very charming.
Groupies galore all over this thread! Get off the tit.
Keep trying NoPE.. .looks like Gjert has ZERO Olympic medals and a bunch of injuries with his sons.. they just can't produce at the Olympics.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
NOPe wrote:
You are not very bright. The really good runners are not AFRAID to take the lead late in the race in order to run fast. Galen did do this at least once in his 10000m pb. Galen did NOT do this at 5000m because he could NOT. Do you understand that a runner who can run 12:50 (like Mo Farah) will win the 12:55 and 13 flat races?Galen could not and did not because he was at his limit running 12:58 or slower. Educate yourself.
I have a question for all guys that think Rupp was unable to run faster than 12:59. When you ran the 5 and 10 in college, could you run the 10K at your 5K pace mile pace plus 6-8 seconds?
I ran 28:16 as a post collegiate, which was only 6-7 sec slower than my 5k PR that I set the year after I graduated. I never broke 4:00 indoors so I was not a "quick" guy. It isn't unreasonable. The Japanese do it all the time. Also, their track races are always used as time trials. They very rarely ever sit and kick, so the "oh they were not really running for time" thing won't work there. Look, equivalency calculators are fine and all....but they are just that - calculators. Humans are not machines and there are too many variables in our sport on what determines a performance.
I’m a D2 female runner. Our coach explicitly told us not to visit LetsRun forums.
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