2:09... you clearly confirm that don't know anything about athletics. I had athletes running under 2:09 from different Countries : Italy, Germany, Norway, Switzerland (40 years old), and in Africa Kenya, Ethiopia, Uganda, Maroc, and of sure I forget some Country because looking at my technical career I don't remember all the athletes running under 2:09 I coached.
Updated on 22 Jan 2023, in the all-time list we have 880 athletes who run under 2:09, 654 of them being African.
So, looking at the titol of the thread (one of the most stupid threads ever in LR), if nobody could run without doping under 2:09, this means that, according to your last post, Steve Jones (2:07:13 in '85), Hawkins (2:08:14 in 2019), Spedding (2:08:33 in 1985), Nerurkar (2:08:36 in 1997), Evans (2:08:52 in 1996) were all doped. Thank you for confirming that not only the Italians Bordin and Baldini, Olympic Champions, were doped, not only Carlos Lopes from Portugal (2:07:12 in 1985), not only Vincent Rousseau from Belgium (2:07:20 in 1995), not only the Spanish runners from Roncero to Rey to Guerra, were doped, but British specialists too, starting with somebody running 2:09:12 in 1974 (Ian Thompson) or 2:09:28 already in 1970 (Ron Hill) needed to take EPO twenty years before the synthetic drug was created in some lab.
Your specific knowledge appears to be at the higher level again.
If you think it took roids,and epo for the doped altitude trained kenyans to close the gap on coe and ovett,,then coe and ovett were doping as well.Thats how it is.you may not like that,but too bad.
If you think it took roids,and epo for the doped altitude trained kenyans to close the gap on coe and ovett,,then coe and ovett were doping as well.Thats how it is.you may not like that,but too bad.
Too bad you're just a loon whose only point is to diminish the terrible and proven rampant doping culture of East Africa.
I never said east africans dont dope.They do(on a massive scale),,but so does everybody else.And the only way athletes from non east african countries can beat them,or compete with them,is to dope,as well.Also they learned how to dope from western countries,and coaches.East africans werent the first people to use drugs.
2:09... you clearly confirm that don't know anything about athletics. I had athletes running under 2:09 from different Countries : Italy, Germany, Norway, Switzerland (40 years old), and in Africa Kenya, Ethiopia, Uganda, Maroc, and of sure I forget some Country because looking at my technical career I don't remember all the athletes running under 2:09 I coached.
Updated on 22 Jan 2023, in the all-time list we have 880 athletes who run under 2:09, 654 of them being African.
So, looking at the titol of the thread (one of the most stupid threads ever in LR), if nobody could run without doping under 2:09, this means that, according to your last post, Steve Jones (2:07:13 in '85), Hawkins (2:08:14 in 2019), Spedding (2:08:33 in 1985), Nerurkar (2:08:36 in 1997), Evans (2:08:52 in 1996) were all doped. Thank you for confirming that not only the Italians Bordin and Baldini, Olympic Champions, were doped, not only Carlos Lopes from Portugal (2:07:12 in 1985), not only Vincent Rousseau from Belgium (2:07:20 in 1995), not only the Spanish runners from Roncero to Rey to Guerra, were doped, but British specialists too, starting with somebody running 2:09:12 in 1974 (Ian Thompson) or 2:09:28 already in 1970 (Ron Hill) needed to take EPO twenty years before the synthetic drug was created in some lab.
Your specific knowledge appears to be at the higher level again.
I'm just sick of the rampant doping of East African athletes that has almost killed the sport, and which is constantly and deliberately masked by the natural born runner myth.
Renato - please can you explain how Kelvin Kiptum debuts in the marathon with 2:01, when he apparently does very basic training, when only one Kenyan before the spread of EPO in the early 90's had broken 2:09 (2:08 in 1988)?
2:09... you clearly confirm that don't know anything about athletics.
Yeah, and Conner Mantz ran a 2:08:16 in Chicago this past October in his marathon debut. Surely no one was suggesting he was doping.
Just the opposite. I think a lot people (I know I do) consider that kind of slow to be competitive on the world stage.
I mean, I don't think he's going to beat many Africans running 2:08.
He better start doing something to drop 4 or 5 minutes off of that time, and I don't know what you can take to drop 4 or 5 minutes.
Eliud Kipchoge has dropped about 4 minutes from his marathon debut (2:05:30 to 2:01:09). But of course Conner Mantz is no, and never will be, an Eliud Kipchoge.
Of course, Conner Mantz could be doping for all we know.
Armstronglives, are you aware that Kenyan athletes lived two following Olympic boycotts (1976 like all the African Countries against the aparteid of South Africa, and 1980 because connected with Western Countries like US that refused to participate in Moscow), in a period with Commonwealth Games every 4 years and nothing else ? Not only, but in the same period there was a conflict between Ethiopia and Kenya that reduced possibilities and motivation of their athletes ? Do you really think that an athlete like Henry Rono couldn't be able to win Gold in Olympic or to better more times the WR of 5000 and 10000m, if there was continuity in his competitions and in his training ?
This is like the myth that black people were not talented for swimming or playing tennis. The main reason is that black people were not allowed to go in some pool (also not allowed to use the same buses of white people...) and starting to play tennis required to spend a lot of money, so the only exception was Ashe, but after there were the Williams sisters, and some other good player.
Please, stop to compare sports different for equipment, facilities and local interest, without looking at social problems. Of sure, the European Countries didn't have to face, in the period 1970-1983 (date of the first edition of WCh), the same social problems of African Countries.
In the '76 Olympics, boycotted by the Kenyans (and other Africans), which Kenyans were going to win any of the following?
Really? Osako and Rupp were both coached by cheating Salazar. I am over 99% certain that you are incorrect.
I can't help but notice that the best of them (Suzuki with 2:04:56) is only on place 77, a whopping 3:47 behind the WR.
Sal did not cheat but pushed what was permissible. That is not cheating. It is pushing the boundaries of the permissable. He never broke the rules. Osako and Rupp, from all the evidence we have are most likely as clean as whistles.
He incurred a violation and a ban precisely because he broke the rules. "Pushing the boundaries of the permissable" is not a violation.
Did you forget Kenya boycotted Olympics 1980 ? Of course no Kenyans !
I asked which Kenyans could have won those events? They weren't going to beat Ovett, Coe, Yifter and Cierpinski. They wouldn't have been a force at Moscow.
Did you forget Kenya boycotted Olympics 1980 ? Of course no Kenyans !
I asked which Kenyans could have won those events? They weren't going to beat Ovett, Coe, Yifter and Cierpinski. They wouldn't have been a force at Moscow.
Is this another attempt to downgrade the Kenyan succcess before 1980?
In Montreal 76 a silver in the 800m seems to be the most realistic. Probably a medal in the steeple and some surprise in the 1500, 5000, 10000 would make three medals.
In Moscow 80 definitely a medal in the 800 (Nikolai Kirov! - probably the worst 800 medalist since WW2). The guy who helds three of the five track world records (one of them he was going to better next season) and you never have heard of definitely would be a medal threat in two of those three. Add a surprise and three or four medals seems realistic to me. But the easy descent (76 boycott) has already begun.
And now?
Which numbers are you going to change next? 10 Kenyan world records in your special counting became 2. The nation with the fastest times over the 16 year period 1964 - 1979 according to you was slow. And so on.
I also liked that you added the very popular3 Miles and 6 Miles distances in your unique Armstronglivs-statistic. And left another important distance - as well as eight world records.
More self-destruction of yours is highly appreciated - and it will come!
I asked which Kenyans could have won those events? They weren't going to beat Ovett, Coe, Yifter and Cierpinski. They wouldn't have been a force at Moscow.
Is this another attempt to downgrade the Kenyan succcess before 1980?
In Montreal 76 a silver in the 800m seems to be the most realistic. Probably a medal in the steeple and some surprise in the 1500, 5000, 10000 would make three medals.
In Moscow 80 definitely a medal in the 800 (Nikolai Kirov! - probably the worst 800 medalist since WW2). The guy who helds three of the five track world records (one of them he was going to better next season) and you never have heard of definitely would be a medal threat in two of those three. Add a surprise and three or four medals seems realistic to me. But the easy descent (76 boycott) has already begun.
And now?
Which numbers are you going to change next? 10 Kenyan world records in your special counting became 2. The nation with the fastest times over the 16 year period 1964 - 1979 according to you was slow. And so on.
I also liked that you added the very popular3 Miles and 6 Miles distances in your unique Armstronglivs-statistic. And left another important distance - as well as eight world records.
More self-destruction of yours is highly appreciated - and it will come!
A silver in the Montreal 800 was not realistic. The silver medallist, Van Damme, who also finished a close runner-up in the 1500, was better than any Kenyan at that time, and beat the best the rest of the world had to offer except the two winners in each race, who were themselves world record-holders. Nor would any Kenyan have beaten Coe for the silver at Moscow. As for the steeple in Moscow - no Kenyan would have beaten Malinowski and Bayi.
They wouldn't have won any of the distance events at either Olympics - which you implicitly acknowledge by suggesting they might have "surprised" somewhere for a minor placing. Indeed, it would have been a surprise.
So when I ask which Kenyans could have won any of the distance events, from the 800 to the marathon, at the '76 and '80 Olympics the answer is a big fat zero.
Is this another attempt to downgrade the Kenyan succcess before 1980?
In Montreal 76 a silver in the 800m seems to be the most realistic. Probably a medal in the steeple and some surprise in the 1500, 5000, 10000 would make three medals.
In Moscow 80 definitely a medal in the 800 (Nikolai Kirov! - probably the worst 800 medalist since WW2). The guy who helds three of the five track world records (one of them he was going to better next season) and you never have heard of definitely would be a medal threat in two of those three. Add a surprise and three or four medals seems realistic to me. But the easy descent (76 boycott) has already begun.
And now?
Which numbers are you going to change next? 10 Kenyan world records in your special counting became 2. The nation with the fastest times over the 16 year period 1964 - 1979 according to you was slow. And so on.
I also liked that you added the very popular3 Miles and 6 Miles distances in your unique Armstronglivs-statistic. And left another important distance - as well as eight world records.
More self-destruction of yours is highly appreciated - and it will come!
A silver in the Montreal 800 was not realistic. The silver medallist, Van Damme, who also finished a close runner-up in the 1500, was better than any Kenyan at that time, and beat the best the rest of the world had to offer except the two winners in each race, who were themselves world record-holders. Nor would any Kenyan have beaten Coe for the silver at Moscow. As for the steeple in Moscow - no Kenyan would have beaten Malinowski and Bayi.
They wouldn't have won any of the distance events at either Olympics - which you implicitly acknowledge by suggesting they might have "surprised" somewhere for a minor placing. Indeed, it would have been a surprise.
So when I ask which Kenyans could have won any of the distance events, from the 800 to the marathon, at the '76 and '80 Olympics the answer is a big fat zero.
For sure Boit could have beaten Juantorena in Montreal. He has beaten Van Damme after the games in Zürich and ended the season just 0.07 seconds behind Juantorena in the all-time list. But I know you are not interested in facts.
Realistic chances for Gold would have been 76 800m, 80, 5000m, 10000m, steeple. Most realistic scenario, Kenya would have won 1 or 2 Golds at these two games as well as around 7 medals.
But Kenya has boycotted so they won zero medals.
But you can't count above two. And you prefer lying. Your next posts will show this again.