Concealed Carry Runners: What are you packing?

You live in fear because you're afraid.

You lean on "oh but we'll never know" because you possess no common sense.

I can't help you and don't want to.

Blower wrote:

If you're a runner, you are statistically FAR more in danger of being hit by a car, every single time you go out, than ever finding yourself in a situation where having a gun might be a necessity. Go ahead and have your little warm fuzzies, though.

Exactly.

There is basically nothing in life that is zero risk. I use judgement, experience, common sense, cost/benefit, statistics thinking and even basic intuition to address risk in life. Just like most everyone else.

And I'm not trying to prepare for every conceivable risk in life. An asteroid could crash on my head. I don't check the nasa website to confirm that an asteroid might be on a collision course with my running route before I head out.

Fire insurance on my house? Is the probably that my house will burn down very high? Nope. It's very low. But so is the cost and effort of fire insurance.

Gun in my house? Is the probability that I'll need to use it very high? Nope. It's very low (but 1000000x higher than being attacked if I'm out on a run by myself) . And the cost and effort of keeping a gun in my house in a safe spot is very low.

Gun on a run? Is the probably that I'll need to use it very high? Very close to zero. About the same as the asteroid strike. Would it be a pain in the a$$ carrying a gun with me on a run? Yes, in more ways than one.

Doozyofatwosie wrote:

Felony Stop wrote:

It's obvious that you have never been in LEO or know someone who has. Anytime an officer (or officers) make a felony stop they have their weapons drawn. That is SOP. It doesn't mean that they have discharged their firearm but that their firearm was used in contacting the subject.

You're correct I did mean discharging and not simply unholstering. But you already knew that I meant that. Worthless comment.

No, actually it was a very disambiguated sentence so that your meaning and usage of the words comprising your sentence made it difficult to determine what you were trying to convey. English isn't your strong point is it?

jecht wrote:

Trying to figure out what to do.

I have my CCW from the state of Ohio.

Had a Glock 42 in .380 but it stovepiped a lot and it's TOO small.

I then had a Ruger SR22 but I didn't like the safety on it (backwards than normal guns).

Trying to find a good CCW weapon.

Springfield has a pretty good line up with their XDS and XD Mod 2 models. They come in the standard pistol calibers of 9mm, 40S&W, and 45ACP.

Just for fun, I did a search for "men shot while jogging". I was a bit surprised to see the hits I got. Seems to be more prevalent then I thought it might. While low on the probability scale, apparently it does happen. An example:

Smells a little funny

The jogger's name is Antonol Edwin Thornton. He "said he was jogging when someone stopped in a pickup and tried to rob him". Rob him of what exactly? Antonol was "out for a jog".....after midnight....

patterns wrote:

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

Just for fun, I did a search for "men shot while jogging". I was a bit surprised to see the hits I got. Seems to be more prevalent then I thought it might. While low on the probability scale, apparently it does happen. An example:

https://www.ocala.com/news/20180905/man-shot-while-jogging-at-night-in-belleview-remains-hospitalized

Smells a little funny

The jogger's name is Antonol Edwin Thornton. He "said he was jogging when someone stopped in a pickup and tried to rob him". Rob him of what exactly? Antonol was "out for a jog".....after midnight....

That was but one of a number I found just on the first 2 pages. I used to go out routinely after my work at a local hospital, in many cases after midnight when working the 3 to 11 shift. This was in Redondo Beach CA. I did get accosted and verbally harassed by pinheads in passing cars on occasion but never thought much of it. Never any attempted robbery though.

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

patterns wrote:

Smells a little funny

The jogger's name is Antonol Edwin Thornton. He "said he was jogging when someone stopped in a pickup and tried to rob him". Rob him of what exactly? Antonol was "out for a jog".....after midnight....

That was but one of a number I found just on the first 2 pages. I used to go out routinely after my work at a local hospital, in many cases after midnight when working the 3 to 11 shift. This was in Redondo Beach CA. I did get accosted and verbally harassed by pinheads in passing cars on occasion but never thought much of it. Never any attempted robbery though.

I would like to see what Antonol was wearing when he got shot....."jogging after midnight".

I did a search too and didn't find much. One dude was shot jogging along the rio grande river at the Mex border in the heart of drug cartel land. Ok, that I can buy. They don't like anyone coming anywhere near their operations and actually have a motive (totally evil, but still a motive). Drug cartel area is dangerous for joggers or any other human activity, man, woman or child.

There are an insanely low amount of men shot jogging in the USA...the ones I saw were kind of fishy. Way more people struck by lightening.

So far there has only been speculation in this thread; I'd like to bring it back to basic facts so that we can have sensible debate.

The fact is that the VAST majority of male, lifelong runners with be violently assaulted while on a run in the course of their running lifetime, and the VAST majority of these assaults could be prevented with a cc. These are the statistics, and you cannot deny them.

It's important to remember here that the statistics include catcalling as violent assault. In my opinion, cases of catcalling are some of the best to illustrate the utility of concealed carry while on a run. Typically, while being catcalled, your assailant is far away, usually greater than 20 ft. This gives the victim ample time to withdraw their cc and display that they have a weapon. If the catcaller persists, the victim again has ample time and space to fire a few warning shots, and if needed, fire a shot to injure or incapacitate the assailant. Once the perpetrator is incapacitated, the victim then has the choice to continue on their run or call the police. This is the ideal outcome of the scenario that maximizes the liberty of all those involved.

I cc while running to protect my family- as a libertarian, that is all the justification I need.

There are possible negative consequences of carrying a gun while running. If you shoot someone, the police aren't just going to accept your claim that your life was in danger at face value. You'll have to prove that you acted as a "reasonable person" would have. If you were scared and acted too aggressively you could face criminal charges and a civil suit.

Last night I went out with a Beretta Tomcat 3032 .32acp, which is much smaller than my Taurus Judge. The lightweightedness of it actually caused a bit more trouble than the Judge. The Judge stays put due to the weight, but the Beretta is very flighty andI can feel it pulling away from my body which was a bit unnerving even thoughI knew it was secured.

Despite that, I was able to get in a good 5 miles unaccosted, raped, or murdered. Worth it, in my book.

The sensible solution has already been mentioned: bear spray.

For those of you that feel it's necessary to carry a gun while running I have a few serious questions:

Where do you live that it's that unsafe?

What is keeping you from moving to a safer area?

Wouldn't bear spray be equally as effective and far less likely to cause any collateral damage?

With how expensive guns are, wouldn't it be safer to purchase a nice treadmill? A side benefit is you'd be even more easily accessible to your family which has been mentioned as being important (i.e. reason to carry a top of the line smartphone).

My mummies phone number.

Are you saying that the vast majority of male runners will be violently assaulted during their lifetime? Are you high or trolling or am I misunderstanding you? The number is close to zero, which is the opposite of what you are saying. It basically never happens. Statistically, you are more likely to get trampled by an elephant escaping from the zoo.

keep in mind, I'm all for gun rights and the right to carry when you run.....that's not the discussion. The discussion is the value of doing so. And there is no value.

Haha, only on LetsRun, someone does a troll thread called "Concealed Carry Runners: What are you packing?" and it's up to eight pages about to become nine.

Libertarian Centrist wrote:

The fact is that the VAST majority of male, lifelong runners with be violently assaulted while on a run in the course of their running lifetime, and the VAST majority of these assaults could be prevented with a cc. These are the statistics, and you cannot deny them.

Um, no. Catcalling is not violent assault and no catcalling is not going to be prevented with a concealed carry.

Are you talking about Drug Running?

If you are talking about actual running for fitness, it makes no sense to carry a gun unless you have been threatened or expect to run into a Grizzly Bear. It it is the Bear, you better be carrying a big gun because a small caliber shot will just make it mad. If you have been threatened, it would probably make sense not to run alone or near those who threatened you. Long story short, there is not much call for carrying a gun while running for fitness.

You know how the NRA has lobbied to keep studies from looking into gun violence? About that ...

https://www.newsweek.com/states-more-gun-owners-have-more-murders-home-women-most-common-victims-1450162

tarckstar wrote:

You know how the NRA has lobbied to keep studies from looking into gun violence? About that ...

https://www.newsweek.com/states-more-gun-owners-have-more-murders-home-women-most-common-victims-1450162

A leftist propaganda publication is spinning out leftist messaging. That's shocking.