Sage needs to eat meat

He is on the Team B. Does it matter?

its just science wrote:

After Patrik Baboumian went vegan in 2011, he reduced his injury rate and went on to beat his previous world record in 2015.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrik_Baboumian

Also:

"Position of the American Dietetic Association: vegetarian diets.

Sedentary vegans have better arterial health than BMI-matched endurance runners:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17518696

"Vegan children are also taller than omnivorous children." I call BS on that, all children I've seen raised vegan or vegatarian, their growth is lacking.

Patrik Baboumian hasn't done nothing in the world of strength since the initial phase of going vegan.

American Dietitic Association was founded by and is still run by Seven Day Adventist.

Platano wrote:

Fruits = #1 Source of vitamins and #2 source of minerals

Vegetables = #1 source of minerals and #2 source of vitamins

Meat = #1 cause of heart and colon disease

Vegetables cause no diseases.

I’m vegan and win every race except NY marathon

You nailed it right there.

/thread

Anecdotal evidence is the weakest form of evidence.

Fine, here are other strong vegans:

Nick Squires is an accomplished powerlifter who competes in the raw divisions in California, USA and internationally. He’s taken overall first in the LA Open, and Conejo Valley Open and category first in the RAF Open. In 2018 he was placed 2nd in the Drug Tested California State Championships before going one better and winning it in 2019.

Anastasia Zinchenko has been competing in powerlifting for several years, recording some high profile placings and impressive totals. She’s competed in the 63kg and 72 kg weight classes, and taken regional UK titles, national placings – and competed internationally. In 2014 she won the BDFPA All Midlands Championships 72 kg weight class and took second in the 2014 British Universities Powerlifting Championship 63 kg class

Nigel Morton is a powerlifter whose enthusiasm for his sport has led him to train others as well as committing to a dedicated training plan which has earned him success.

This came across in the 2017 Canadian Nationals when the 126 kg lifter squatted an enormous 300 kg, benched 195 kg and finished off with a deadlift of 290 kg.

Bill McCarthy is an American powerlifter. He competes at national level and has qualified for international competition including the Arnold Sports festival three times. He’s 120kg in weight and his personal best lifts are 501 lb (227.5kg) bench press, 750 lbs (340kg) squat and 622 lb (282.5kg) deadlift

It's the largest association of nutritional professionals in the world.

But fine, then you can listen to the Dieticians of Canada, the British Nutritional Foundation, the UK National Health Service, British Dieticians Association, British Diabetic Association, The Dietitians Association of Australia, The Mayo Clinic, Harvard Medical School, and the United States Department of Agriculture.

But I guess it's just a big conspiracy by the Big Broccoli lobby.

This is a running forum.

Let's think about things.

Are former and present elites like Alan Webb, Seb Coe, el G, Kipchoge, Lagat, Bekele, and thousands of others vegan? No. Hmmmmm....... I wonder why.

Complete lack of nutrients in a vegan diet.

Sage is an Instagram hobbyjogger with no competent elite results to speak of. Ever. Period. And he's the fastest vegan out there.

On the other hand......

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcvOMTOUMAE_0aG.jpg

Yeah, let's ignore what all vegans look like for what some study says.

Again, those lifters do very little after the initial stage of going vegan. Look at the long term results. Do they really improve after the first year?

Not big broccoli, it's part religious fanaticism and part big phramacuticals/ big agriculture. Billions and billions of dollars are behind this vegan agenda.

The ancestors and closest relatives are homo sapiens are not vegan.

Indigenous peoples are not vegan.

There is no such thing as a "local" vegan diet.

No elite runners are vegan.

86% recidivism rate.

Veganism is a performative lifestyle choice for wealthy (mostly white) first-world liberals. Supported and funded by pesticide, pharmaceutical, and agricultural corporations.

It's not ethical or sensible. It's heavily damaging to human health.

The most nutrient dense foods are plant foods. Less than 2% of Americans get enough potassium. Potassium is found primarily in plant foods: Oranges, grapefruits, prunes, tomatoes, etc. It's also vital for proper heart function - probably a good thing for distance running.

Besides, not everything an elite runner does is vital for elite running. Many elite runners have thrived on a junk food diet. Does that mean a junk food diet is good for running?

Most people adhere to mostly the same diet out of routine. This is common sense. It is HARD to overhaul your diet. It takes far more discipline than taking up a sport.

A small amount of elites are vegan because a small amount of the general population is vegan (Around 1-3%).

More anecdotal evidence. Here's a vegan setting a world record

Big whoop.

Some close relatives are vegan. And are much stronger than humans (the gorilla). Bonobos are our closest relative, and eat primarily a plant based diet.

Indigenous cultures did eat meat because they ate everything edible except for a handful of things. Indigenous cultures usually lived hand to mouth so they couldn't afford to not eat edible things. It has nothing to do with optimal health/performance, etc.

See above.

There is no such thing as a local lifestyle period in the industrialized world.

I don't exactly have a list, but I just googled it now and found Ford Palmer, previous elites like Scott Jurek, Carl Lewis.. Again, if only a small fraction of the public are vegan, the same would be represented in pretty much all groups in society.

Tough changes are tough. You could say the same thing about anyone who picks up, um, distance running.

In some cases yes, in some cases no. Many indigenous peoples ate a primarily plant-based diet simply because that was what was available. Such as the Raramuri, the indigenous distance runners.

The evidence shows the opposite. Nearly all the top killers in the western world can be prevented or reversed with a whole food plant based diet. Cultures that eat a primarily plant based diet, such as blue zone cultures like the Okinawans, ate nearly zero animal products, and lived the longest. The Okinawans were the longest living group on earth until the seventh day adventists over took them due to the recent westernization of the Okinawan diet.

Time to turn off the Joe Rogan podcast and do some real research man.

its just science wrote:

More anecdotal evidence. Here's a vegan setting a world record

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZTaGZ6KLDwI/maxresdefault.jpg

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What has he done since than?

meat of the matter wrote:

its just science wrote:

More anecdotal evidence. Here's a vegan setting a world record

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZTaGZ6KLDwI/maxresdefault.jpg

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What has he done since than?

More than you.

wordsofwise wrote:

His vegan diet is obviously depriving him of the nutrients his body needs. He's too self-righteous and opinionated about his plant-based lifestyle.

Ironically, you’re the one being self-righteous and opinionated. I’m guessing you enjoy semen in your mouth.

Suck it meat girls.

Yes, any diet where you have to take 15 supplements and constantly be worrying about iron, protein, and B12 levels sounds dangerous.

It's about time for Sage to reply to this thread.

Does anybody know a multi-generational vegan that defected, won't go home at holiday unless there are dead animals to eat?

Like people who renounce the family religion.

Anyway, if you want to get a vegan to change, I don't recommend starting with someone named Sage, look for someone named Magnus, or something like that.

ha ha I'm honored people are so concerned about my diet. I do a youtube video/VLOG and just mention food and there are always a few comments like "you need to meat"...but then no reason why. There seems to be this triggered reaction. Then again people think up all sorts of crazy conspiracies. They don't believe in the moon landing, they think the Earth is flat, they think vaccines are bad, they think our actions haven't contributed to global warming, they think we should go back to eating like cavemen, and they think the " big bad vegetable companies" are trying to take beef and dairy away from them...or something. But back to my diet. A couple rational points: 1. I was born and raised vegetarian. I set all my PRs in running without meat. 2. In my 21 + years of year-round running (and countless 100+ mile weeks) I've never had an overuse injury take me out for more than 2 weeks at a time. No stress fractures, no muscle strains no serious tendonitis. You'd think if my diet was "so deficient" on something like protein or whatever I'd get injured all the time. Meat eaters get injured all the time...and run bad races...but you don't see people blaming them for their "poor diet". Being a vegan/vegetarian is a minority diet and because of that people like to try "attack it more" or blame it for "something" because they see it was being different and "standing out." 3. No doubt vegans and vegetarians are at a higher risk for getting low on vitamin B12. I recommend ALL ATHLETES get their B12 and iron levels checked from time to time (and vitamin D for that matter). Yeah, sometimes a few supplements are needed for some. You better believe I am boosting my B12 right now. The funny thing about iron/ferritin is that I ran and lived with a bunch of guys in college and at Hansons. They ate red meat all the time...burgers, steak multiple times a week etc. However, they would still get low on iron and have to supplement (and get injured all the time etc). So the whole "your diet must be bad if you have to take a supplement" is hogwash. If you are a high mileage runner competing at your limit of physical capacity you need to have everything clicking...and often ALL ATHLETES whether they EAT MEAT OR NOT might have to take something like iron. It's really not that hard to understand and its really not that simple as "eats meat or not." There are more complex things in training periodization, racing frequency (and types or races) as well as all sorts of lifestyle factors (sleep etc) that influence performance and health. Diet of course is a big piece of the puzzle, but I think people put too much focus on it sometimes. Fast runners can eat total junk food all the time and they're still going to run fast. 23.

poppin vegan lifeline pills wrote:

It's about time for Sage to reply to this thread.

End of thread. Sage just went nuclear on y’all.

Vegan child abuse:

S. Canaday wrote:

people think up all sorts of crazy conspiracies. They don't believe in the moon landing, they think the Earth is flat, they think vaccines are bad, they think our actions haven't contributed to global warming, they think we should go back to eating like cavemen, and they think the " big bad vegetable companies" are trying to take beef and dairy away from them

Louis Pasteur was a liar, a thief and a charlatan.

Based on his faulty research, the greedy drug companies continue

to murder millions of people for profits, ethnic cleansing, and population reductions.