Although good at the steeple, I don't personally think she will be a medal threat at the global stage. She has one of the fastest 1500 times among the steeple international stars. She also out kicked Shelby int the mile at US indoors this past year. I strongly believe the 1500 may be her better event, she certainly has untapped potential in the event. Thoughts?
She wouldn’t stand a chance, not even in a tactical race. Field is too deep. Muir, Hassan, Dibaba, Kipyegon, tsegauye Simpson, etc
In the steeple, she has a chance of medaling.
1500?
Wouldn’t even get out of the rounds.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
She wouldn’t stand a chance, not even in a tactical race. Field is too deep. Muir, Hassan, Dibaba, Kipyegon, tsegauye Simpson, etc
In the steeple, she has a chance of medaling.
1500?
Wouldn’t even get out of the rounds.
+1/EOT.
shes too worried about her Instagram likes
Scorpion_runner wrote:
She wouldn’t stand a chance, not even in a tactical race. Field is too deep. Muir, Hassan, Dibaba, Kipyegon, tsegauye Simpson, etc
In the steeple, she has a chance of medaling.
1500?
Wouldn’t even get out of the rounds.
Her chances would go up, especially in a tactical race! Have you seen her run any of the 1500s/miles she has raced? She always has a monster kick. She out kicked Shelby at US indoors, in addition she almost ran dan Jenny Simpson at the Fifth Ave mile running a 4:19 PR.
She doesn't even do much speed work in practice, her training is very strength based! I have no doubt that if she spent time doing 1500 training and a season dedicated to 1500 racing she is certainly sub 4 caliber!
so far this thread is useless
lalaalalalla wrote:
so far this thread is useless
Not as useless as your comment
trackwonder4 wrote:
Scorpion_runner wrote:
She wouldn’t stand a chance, not even in a tactical race. Field is too deep. Muir, Hassan, Dibaba, Kipyegon, tsegauye Simpson, etc
In the steeple, she has a chance of medaling.
1500?
Wouldn’t even get out of the rounds.
Her chances would go up, especially in a tactical race! Have you seen her run any of the 1500s/miles she has raced? She always has a monster kick. She out kicked Shelby at US indoors, in addition she almost ran dan Jenny Simpson at the Fifth Ave mile running a 4:19 PR.
She doesn't even do much speed work in practice, her training is very strength based! I have no doubt that if she spent time doing 1500 training and a season dedicated to 1500 racing she is certainly sub 4 caliber!
Dude here best outdoor time is 4:03...and no one takes indoors seriously. It’s for getting prepared for the season.
She’s 26 going on 27 , too late in the game to try drop down. Usually, runners go up, maybe if she went up to 5000m or 10000m where America needs some top runners since Sission and huddle have moved on to the road.
But 1500? It would be a waste of time.
She came in 7th at pre in the steeple, not bad. I could see here sneaking in and getting a bronze, because African runners are crappy jumpers and some times have a crappy race because of it . Emma freaking won the WC for crying out loud.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
trackwonder4 wrote:
Her chances would go up, especially in a tactical race! Have you seen her run any of the 1500s/miles she has raced? She always has a monster kick. She out kicked Shelby at US indoors, in addition she almost ran dan Jenny Simpson at the Fifth Ave mile running a 4:19 PR.
She doesn't even do much speed work in practice, her training is very strength based! I have no doubt that if she spent time doing 1500 training and a season dedicated to 1500 racing she is certainly sub 4 caliber!
Dude here best outdoor time is 4:03...and no one takes indoors seriously. It’s for getting prepared for the season.
She’s 26 going on 27 , too late in the game to try drop down. Usually, runners go up, maybe if she went up to 5000m or 10000m where America needs some top runners since Sission and huddle have moved on to the road.
But 1500? It would be a waste of time.
She came in 7th at pre in the steeple, not bad. I could see here sneaking in and getting a bronze, because African runners are crappy jumpers and some times have a crappy race because of it . Emma freaking won the WC for crying out loud.
Although yes she only has a 4:03 pr,
If you knew anything about Jerry's training, you would know that A) he has his runners focus their training primarily on one event and B) he has his athletes race sparingly through the year.
With this, like I stated earlier, if she spent a season with a 1500 training and racing focus she is more than capable of sub 4 and with her kick she can certainly contend with the best.
Based on limited training last summer (she was injured half the summer and spent time cross training) she came to 5th ave and nearly ran down Jenny Simpson.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
trackwonder4 wrote:
Her chances would go up, especially in a tactical race! Have you seen her run any of the 1500s/miles she has raced? She always has a monster kick. She out kicked Shelby at US indoors, in addition she almost ran dan Jenny Simpson at the Fifth Ave mile running a 4:19 PR.
She doesn't even do much speed work in practice, her training is very strength based! I have no doubt that if she spent time doing 1500 training and a season dedicated to 1500 racing she is certainly sub 4 caliber!
Dude here best outdoor time is 4:03...and no one takes indoors seriously. It’s for getting prepared for the season.
She’s 26 going on 27 , too late in the game to try drop down. Usually, runners go up, maybe if she went up to 5000m or 10000m where America needs some top runners since Sission and huddle have moved on to the road.
But 1500? It would be a waste of time.
She came in 7th at pre in the steeple, not bad. I could see here sneaking in and getting a bronze, because African runners are crappy jumpers and some times have a crappy race because of it . Emma freaking won the WC for crying out loud.
It is very illogical to throw her age into this... Jenny Simpson just ran a sub 4 1500 at 32 years old (going on 33)!
Colleen has plenty left... try again pal
Colleen Quigley chose to special at 3000mSC for a reason. If Quigley had the slightest belief she were a superior 1500m runner, Quigley would have changed events a long time ago.
shaylaj wrote:
Scorpion_runner wrote:
Dude here best outdoor time is 4:03...and no one takes indoors seriously. It’s for getting prepared for the season.
She’s 26 going on 27 , too late in the game to try drop down. Usually, runners go up, maybe if she went up to 5000m or 10000m where America needs some top runners since Sission and huddle have moved on to the road.
But 1500? It would be a waste of time.
She came in 7th at pre in the steeple, not bad. I could see here sneaking in and getting a bronze, because African runners are crappy jumpers and some times have a crappy race because of it . Emma freaking won the WC for crying out loud.
It is very illogical to throw her age into this... Jenny Simpson just ran a sub 4 1500 at 32 years old (going on 33)!
Colleen has plenty left... try again pal
But Jenny has mastered her craft at her age. It's not like she moved down while closing in on her 30s . Same thing with Gatlin at 37.
I'm just saying runners don't move down as they get older. They move up, and they definitely don't just switch out and start concentrating on another distance. It would take her a few years or so with training and racing to really get prepared to race at 1500m, by that time she will be 29 or 30 years old.
1500 m is the most stacked distance for women's distance running, and you want Colleen to compete at that level? She is fine where she is, and she is actually getting better to me.
Why give up a distance where there is a chance to medal for a distance where you clearly don't have a chance in hell?
It does not make sense, all due respect.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
shaylaj wrote:
It is very illogical to throw her age into this... Jenny Simpson just ran a sub 4 1500 at 32 years old (going on 33)!
Colleen has plenty left... try again pal
But Jenny has mastered her craft at her age. It's not like she moved down while closing in on her 30s . Same thing with Gatlin at 37.
I'm just saying runners don't move down as they get older. They move up, and they definitely don't just switch out and start concentrating on another distance. It would take her a few years or so with training and racing to really get prepared to race at 1500m, by that time she will be 29 or 30 years old.
1500 m is the most stacked distance for women's distance running, and you want Colleen to compete at that level? She is fine where she is, and she is actually getting better to me.
Why give up a distance where there is a chance to medal for a distance where you clearly don't have a chance in hell?
It does not make sense, all due respect.
Why would it take a couple of years to go from 3000 to 1500 meters? There is not much difference in training between the distances and runners have been extremely fast at both distances at the same time. Mo was a 5/10K guy when he ran 3:28.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Scorpion_runner wrote:
But Jenny has mastered her craft at her age. It's not like she moved down while closing in on her 30s . Same thing with Gatlin at 37.
I'm just saying runners don't move down as they get older. They move up, and they definitely don't just switch out and start concentrating on another distance. It would take her a few years or so with training and racing to really get prepared to race at 1500m, by that time she will be 29 or 30 years old.
1500 m is the most stacked distance for women's distance running, and you want Colleen to compete at that level? She is fine where she is, and she is actually getting better to me.
Why give up a distance where there is a chance to medal for a distance where you clearly don't have a chance in hell?
It does not make sense, all due respect.
Why would it take a couple of years to go from 3000 to 1500 meters? There is not much difference in training between the distances and runners have been extremely fast at both distances at the same time. Mo was a 5/10K guy when he ran 3:28.
We need a better example than Mohammed Farah. Farah did not move down from 5000m to 1500m. Bracket racing is normal. That is all Farah was doing. Farah knew not to race 1500m in Olympics &/or W.C. Jenny Simpson moved down from 3000m SC to 1500m at age 22. Can you name any elite runner who moved down from 3000m SC to 1500m in their late twenties?
Scorpion_runner wrote:
trackwonder4 wrote:
Her chances would go up, especially in a tactical race! Have you seen her run any of the 1500s/miles she has raced? She always has a monster kick. She out kicked Shelby at US indoors, in addition she almost ran dan Jenny Simpson at the Fifth Ave mile running a 4:19 PR.
She doesn't even do much speed work in practice, her training is very strength based! I have no doubt that if she spent time doing 1500 training and a season dedicated to 1500 racing she is certainly sub 4 caliber!
Dude here best outdoor time is 4:03...and no one takes indoors seriously. It’s for getting prepared for the season.
She’s 26 going on 27 , too late in the game to try drop down. Usually, runners go up, maybe if she went up to 5000m or 10000m where America needs some top runners since Sission and huddle have moved on to the road.
But 1500? It would be a waste of time.
She came in 7th at pre in the steeple, not bad. I could see here sneaking in and getting a bronze, because African runners are crappy jumpers and some times have a crappy race because of it . Emma freaking won the WC for crying out loud.
Sneaking in to get a bronze? The U.S. would have to go 1-2-3 in global championship for Colleen to pull off a bronze. She has yet to even beat her teammate Courtney Ferierchs let along the defending world champ Emma Coburn in a 3k steeple race. Add this on top of the African runners (you are going to have at least 1 of them that will be in contention for a medal/win) and imo she is least likely to pull off a medal any time soon.
thatperson wrote:
Scorpion_runner wrote:
Dude here best outdoor time is 4:03...and no one takes indoors seriously. It’s for getting prepared for the season.
She’s 26 going on 27 , too late in the game to try drop down. Usually, runners go up, maybe if she went up to 5000m or 10000m where America needs some top runners since Sission and huddle have moved on to the road.
But 1500? It would be a waste of time.
She came in 7th at pre in the steeple, not bad. I could see here sneaking in and getting a bronze, because African runners are crappy jumpers and some times have a crappy race because of it . Emma freaking won the WC for crying out loud.
Sneaking in to get a bronze? The U.S. would have to go 1-2-3 in global championship for Colleen to pull off a bronze. She has yet to even beat her teammate Courtney Ferierchs let along the defending world champ Emma Coburn in a 3k steeple race. Add this on top of the African runners (you are going to have at least 1 of them that will be in contention for a medal/win) and imo she is least likely to pull off a medal any time soon.
Exactly my point. That could very well happen! The steeple race is a race where a lot of s h i t can go wrong like it did at the WC. The Africans screwed up and the Americans capitalized. Freaking Americans went 1-2! So she could very well get a bronze in the next 6 years or so at one of the championship races. So there is a chance plus she is getting better. Africans are s h i t jumpers and they do stupid stuff in the steeple. One thing about the Americans is that they are good jumpers and don’t make mistakes. They just aren’t fast enough. Americans are technically better. Africans are just fast runners which is why they win all the time. But they are so prone to making silly errors.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
thatperson wrote:
Sneaking in to get a bronze? The U.S. would have to go 1-2-3 in global championship for Colleen to pull off a bronze. She has yet to even beat her teammate Courtney Ferierchs let along the defending world champ Emma Coburn in a 3k steeple race. Add this on top of the African runners (you are going to have at least 1 of them that will be in contention for a medal/win) and imo she is least likely to pull off a medal any time soon.
Exactly my point. That could very well happen! The steeple race is a race where a lot of s h i t can go wrong like it did at the WC. The Africans screwed up and the Americans capitalized. Freaking Americans went 1-2! So she could very well get a bronze in the next 6 years or so at one of the championship races. So there is a chance plus she is getting better. Africans are s h i t jumpers and they do stupid stuff in the steeple. One thing about the Americans is that they are good jumpers and don’t make mistakes. They just aren’t fast enough. Americans are technically better. Africans are just fast runners which is why they win all the time. But they are so prone to making silly errors.
He actually has a point here... also don't forget the world championship has rounds. In the steeple this has big factor has fatigue sets in and with the africans crappy jumping they are more prone to falter. Quigley (in addition to Ferirechs and Coburn) can handle the rounds much better than the Africans. Also don't forget it has been a while since Colleen ran a full steeple season without injured, thus has often competed on limited training. She has seemed to get her injures behind her. With more training under her belt she will be right up there with Coburn and Ferierchs, US women are at an all time high in the steeple... a 1-2-3 is not far fetched!
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Scorpion_runner wrote:
But Jenny has mastered her craft at her age. It's not like she moved down while closing in on her 30s . Same thing with Gatlin at 37.
I'm just saying runners don't move down as they get older. They move up, and they definitely don't just switch out and start concentrating on another distance. It would take her a few years or so with training and racing to really get prepared to race at 1500m, by that time she will be 29 or 30 years old.
1500 m is the most stacked distance for women's distance running, and you want Colleen to compete at that level? She is fine where she is, and she is actually getting better to me.
Why give up a distance where there is a chance to medal for a distance where you clearly don't have a chance in hell?
It does not make sense, all due respect.
Why would it take a couple of years to go from 3000 to 1500 meters? There is not much difference in training between the distances and runners have been extremely fast at both distances at the same time. Mo was a 5/10K guy when he ran 3:28.
Mo Farah?
Colleen is not Farah. And it would take her a few years to be able to even get close to racing with someone like Kipyegon. You think it would just take a year, and bam, she’s a top 5 1500m runner? Lol
Her time is 4:03: slow as s h i t.
In order for Kipyegon to beat Dibaba at the Olympics, she had to run a 58 second last lap, and Dibaba blew her load by running a 56 second 3rd lap! But Colleen would be able to compete with that in a year??
This is up there with Jorgensen going for gold in 2020 with no marathon experiences.
Come on guy.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Why would it take a couple of years to go from 3000 to 1500 meters? There is not much difference in training between the distances and runners have been extremely fast at both distances at the same time. Mo was a 5/10K guy when he ran 3:28.
Mo Farah?
Colleen is not Farah. And it would take her a few years to be able to even get close to racing with someone like Kipyegon. You think it would just take a year, and bam, she’s a top 5 1500m runner? Lol
Her time is 4:03: slow as s h i t.
In order for Kipyegon to beat Dibaba at the Olympics, she had to run a 58 second last lap, and Dibaba blew her load by running a 56 second 3rd lap! But Colleen would be able to compete with that in a year??
This is up there with Jorgensen going for gold in 2020 with no marathon experiences.
Come on guy.
Yeah y'all are tweaking... she good with the 3k steeple no need to be at 1500.
The idea of her medaling in either event is pretty far-fetched. But remember, she basically has a bye to Worlds as long as the steeple remains only three deep for Americans, and I don't see anyone coming up on the horizon who's going to change that. And with the general lack of global depth in the event, she's a pretty good bet to consistently make the final, where you never know what can happen. While I could see her potentially breaking four if she switched to the 1500 full-time, she would have a hard time just making the team as long as Houlihan and Simpson are around, and even if she did, the 1500 might be the deepest event in all of track for women globally right now. She might be more or less equally skilled in both events, but the steeple is clearly a better place for her all things considered.
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