What is Killian Jornet’s best marathon time on a regular marathon course? Has he done one?

Yup yup wrote:

njbhbh wrote:

Personal animosity without meeting a person and at your advanced age? You must be beyond repair sad, lonely, old man.

Yup. YMMV is a disgrace to the graceful older of us.

I think his comments are funny

I'd bet 2:17-2:22 (pretty broad I know).

Francois d'Haene is your classic long-distance trail runner - huge, ungainly, rarely seen without poles and shorts down past his knees. You look at him and the natural assumption would be that if he's good at anything it's be the type of super-long grindfests which he does, in fact, win often and at the highest level (UTMB). He's also run a sub-2:34 hilly trail marathon. I can't imagine you'd find anyone who wouldn't sport Killian to blow Francois' doors off on a road marathon.

Someone else mentioned Matt Carpenter who had a VO2 Max of 90, won a bunch of trail races and had a marathon PB of 2:19. KJ's VO2 is reportedly 89.5 and he has the best trail racing resume in history.

How much of his ability to beat faster marathoners in the hills do you have to ascribe to being a goat (as opposed to GOAT) before you can say he's definitely not a sub 2:20 guy? He's routinely beaten Max King (2:14), Robbie Simpson (2:15) etc. etc. He's lost to 2:15 guys as well but that really does seem to be his level. I'm spotting 2-7 minutes for goat-factor.

God damn people stop the hate!!

.... Killian is a specimen of movment what he do in the mountains is incrdible. This is his speciality not a road runner. He lives close to my hometown. Last month he won a local race which is 5000m on gravel road with a long hill and usally windy He ran 15.20! Normally this race will give u around 30sec slower than your track/flat road time. He was just a few seconds behind the course record held by a high 14 5k runner (and a champion hillrunner).

Also Karoline Grøvdal who was 7th in Rio 5000m has run this race and have the female record of 15.59 she has a track pb of 14.57. But that was later than her course record.

He many times runs more than 100km hard. How fast can he run a marathon if he prepare for it? For sure 2.15 or faster becuase thats what special trained athletes with a 14.30 to 14.50 5k pb can do with amazing preparation and endurance.

But then again who knows maybe in the local race he just ran to win and can go faster....

Link to result:

https://åndalsnesløpet.no/resultater2019/

I've run 2:25 and I'm absolutely positive that with a little time to acclimate to the roads, that Killian would be at least ten minutes faster.

Yup yup wrote:

njbhbh wrote:

Personal animosity without meeting a person and at your advanced age? You must be beyond repair sad, lonely, old man.

Yup. YMMV is a disgrace to the graceful older of us.

For those little "mistakes" you made while feeling "disgraced".

I’ll double down on bterrible’s post. I’ve run 2:25 and I’ve run with Killian. He’d run 2:15 with 3 months of specific prep. With focus it’d be faster but who knows how much faster, 2:12: 2:10, 2:08?

He’d never do it, however, not because of some ego thing—-cuz he makes way too much money doing what he does. Minus Kipchoge and Mo, maybe, he’s making more $ than any other distance runner around by doing what a Killian does.

It is like a boxer saying a UFC fighter would be a weak boxer. And, yes, conner is a weak boxer compared to top boxers.

Yes, that is true. It isn't his event. Just like the top marathoners wouldn't do well against him in his event.

Look at the recent World Trail Championships. The guy that won has a 2:24 pr, and he beat dudes with similar or much faster prs over the very technical terrain.

The more runnable the terrain, the better the marathoner can do, the more technical, advantage: trail runner, etc.

Specificity is needed. Same reason why Kilian may not break 2:20 without proper marathon training.

Matt Carpenter...I believe he still holds the pikes peak ascent record. Their was a loaded field to go after Carpenter's record with King, Canaday, and KJ all running and all missing the record by minute(s)

I would be careful about saying that Triathletes are afraid to race, for fear of getting their egos broken. If I recall correctly Alistair Brownlee ran 28:32 for 10k on the track at Mt. Sacs. a couple years ago. I bet very few people who post on this website can equal that. Can you? How does your ego feel now?

Rocket2 wrote:

I would be careful about saying that Triathletes are afraid to race, for fear of getting their egos broken. If I recall correctly Alistair Brownlee ran 28:32 for 10k on the track at Mt. Sacs. a couple years ago. I bet very few people who post on this website can equal that. Can you? How does your ego feel now?

He also ran a "disappointing" 29:20ish in London the other week in the Vitality 10k.

The Brownlees were both international class fell runners in their youth so it's not like running is their weak spot.

The record he beat on the Bob Graham round was held by Billy Bland a national fell running champion. One of his rivals Kenny Stuart switched to roads and ran 2:11 so he might do better than people think. At least 2:15 after a few months preparation.

2:34

Rocket2 wrote:

If I recall correctly Alistair Brownlee ran 28:32 for 10k on the track at Mt. Sacs. a couple years ago. I bet very few people who post on this website can equal that. Can you? How does your ego feel now?

Again with this weird crackhead logic.

What is it with this board? Running, the only sport in the world where you can't hold an opinion on performance unless you personally can beat that performance ?

Would it really be that hard for Jornet to jump into a legitimately measured flat road race and go as hard as he can? Nothing special, no tapering or pre-race hype pressure. 10k, half, marathon. I'm sure that it will never happen because he's scared of exposing the myth. He'll run a 32 or 2:30.

For someone with a VO2 max of 90, or whatever, you'd think that a 3:50 mile would feel like a jog. But as Matt Carpenter proved, all the VO2 max in the world won't let you break a five minute mile if you don't have the guts.

That last sentence is some serious scientific trolling.

There are few athletes who symbolize the love of the mountains like Kilian Jornet does. With shoes, skis and ice axes, or simply because of his close contact with nature since he was a child, his image is associated with the purest values ​​of mountaineering. He himself has pointed out on numerous occasions that he is not very attracted to asphalt, although in 2019 he is lavishing with some relevant activities that are part of his training for a shorter and faster trail running season than usual.

Thus, on May 9, May, he published the data of a 3-series training of 5 km that he did in 14'58 '', 15'20 '' and 15'15 '', with 1 km of recovery at 4'00 " / km between each series. His times surprised distance specialists such as Dani Mateo or coaches such as Octavio Pérez. A few days later he won the Åndalsnesløpet, a 5.2 km very mountainous race in Norway, which finished in 15'20 '', taking more than 1 minute to the second participant.

His last great feat on asphalt occurred last Saturday in the Geirangner Half Marathon, a test of 21 km and 1,500 m positive, which took the win and set the new record with 1 hour, 26 minutes and 48 seconds. The best previous record in this historic Norwegian race, starting in the Geirangner fjord and finishing at the top of Mount Dalsnibba (1,500 m), was in the hands of Hans Martin Gjedrem (1h30'10 '') since 2003. As he has published in its activity in Strava, this meant to the Catalan an average pace of 4'10 '' / km on a route in continuous ascent, with the best kilometers traveled in just under 3'30 ''.

Apart from the data, which also reflects an average heart rate of 131 ppm, the most interesting thing is that, one week after Zegama, it has improved by more than 4 minutes the time achieved in 2017 (1h30'52 ''), when He also won. At that time, the Catalan had just returned from his expedition to Everest and continue with the Marathon of Mont Blanc, the 100 miles of Hardrock, Sierre-Zinal, UTMB, Glen Coe and Marató Pirineu. This year his calendar will be much more measured in kilometers with only three races (Zegama, Sierre-Zinal and Pikes Peak), but with infarct rhythms in which he is already working.

So the guy did ~10.5 miles if you include the 4min/km recovery (no idea if he did a 3rd 1km after his last 5km) in 53:33, which averages out to a 50:42 10 miler, given this includes the recovery I am not sure all out what he would be capable of.

According to the run works calculator, this corresponds to a half marathon of 67:38 and a marathon of 2:21:40 respectively.

Kilians uphill half Grade Adjusted Pace comes out to 5:06 per mile, which is 66:51 for a flat half based on that metric (GAP can be unreliable past a certain grade, and doesn't factor in technicality of terrain, though this half was on a road).

Personally, I think if he wanted to, Kilian could run somewhere around 65 minutes and 2:15 with a few months of preparation. But he probably never will unless it's to supplement some specific racing goal of his in the mountains. He is doing more flat training to prepare for a short trail season that mostly consists of runnable terrain.

He is a top mountain athlete, he wouldn't be as good on the roads or track.