With Caster Semenya out, a new era for the women's 800 begins in Stockholm on Thursday. Will Ajee take over as #1?

No I won't stfu thanks for the suggestion wrote:

stfu you don't get it wrote:

Oh shut up. The fact that we'll never know, is exactly the problem. She was robbed of the opportunity to medal in a fair race.

By your logic she may have won gold for all we know so if you're trying to make the point that she didn't lose anything you fail.

Wilson is faster than Wambui and 0.14s slower at her peak than Nyonsaba, that's about a forward lean at the tape. OK in windows calculator I make it 97cm deficit at race pace. Please check some facts instead of spouting nonsense.

Huh? That made no sense. The XY women have a massive advantage regardless of what Ajee Wilson ran some years later.

There can still be rabbits until 500m at 1:55 pace, only for the remainder of the race Semenya won't be there as a "rabbit". As the slowing down is physiological to some extent even in a perfectly paced race, I don't expect Wilson or Goule to run that much slower overall. There will be slower, more tactical races but also some fast ca. 1:56 races.

oh great, a woman with naturally elevated testosterone levels will likely be replaced by a woman with artificially elevated testosterone levels.

i can't wait.

^This. What an embarrassment.

meatdoping wrote:

Has she been eating steak lately?

she likes the Lots of off season zeranol Burgers better.

you are probably very sexist wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The event will now become interesting to watch.

Do you also think all of kipchoge's marathons are not interesting to watch?

nah i think you just think that because all the competitors will all look like women again, and that it has nothing to do with being "fair"

Kipchoge is the best at what he does. Semenya was just the equivalent of an OK high school dude racing women.

You can see that sort of action back in the pack at any road race.

you are probably very sexist wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The event will now become interesting to watch.

Do you also think all of kipchoge's marathons are not interesting to watch?

nah i think you just think that because all the competitors will all look like women again, and that it has nothing to do with being "fair"

They won't just look like women. They will actually be women.

LetsRun.com wrote:

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2019/05/a-new-era-in-the-womens-800-with-caster-semenya-exiting-ajee-wilson-is-poised-to-take-over-as-world-1/

Wilson will clearly be the favourite but let's not underrate the Ethiopians; Alemu and her colleague as well as Nelly Jepkosgei.

Charlene too is good. I think some girls will go down from the 1,500 to the 800 e.g. Laura Muir.

I hope she doesn't. She's better off sticking to the 1500m.

The sport will move on and girls will still run 1:55-1:56 without Semenya (not sure you can run much faster than 1:55 clean IMO)

From 2008-2016 Rudisha was just a dominate as Semenya (prob more so) and most of the sub 1:43 performances came from races with him in it (see below). He hasn't been on the scene the past two seasons and we are still seeing athletes produce fast times, with Korir 1:42.05 and Amos 1:42.15 in separate races last season. I'm pretty confident that 2020 will be won in 1:42 and maybe even 1:41 given there are two days between the semi and final this time.

David Rudisha 1:40.91

Nijel Amos 1:41.73 Rudish 1:40.91

Abubaker Kaki 1:42.23 Rudish 1:42.04

Mohamed Aman 1:42.37

Amel Tuka 1:42.51

Timothy Kitum 1:42.53 Rudish 1:40.91

Pierre-Ambroise Bosse 1:42.53 Rudish 1:42.98

Taoufik Makhloufi 1:42.61 Rudisha 1:42.15

Duane Solomon 1:42.82 Rudisha 1:40.91

Ferguson Cheruiyot 1:42.84 Rudish 1:42.98

Alfred Kipketer 1:42.87

Clayton Murphy 1:42.93 Rudisha 1:42.15

Nick Symmonds 1:42.95 Rudish 1:40.91

JRinaldi wrote:

The sport will move on and girls will still run 1:55-1:56 without Semenya (not sure you can run much faster than 1:55 clean IMO)

From 2008-2016 Rudisha was just a dominate as Semenya (prob more so) and most of the sub 1:43 performances came from races with him in it (see below). He hasn't been on the scene the past two seasons and we are still seeing athletes produce fast times, with Korir 1:42.05 and Amos 1:42.15 in separate races last season. I'm pretty confident that 2020 will be won in 1:42 and maybe even 1:41 given there are two days between the semi and final this time.

David Rudisha 1:40.91

Nijel Amos 1:41.73 Rudish 1:40.91

Abubaker Kaki 1:42.23 Rudish 1:42.04

Mohamed Aman 1:42.37

Amel Tuka 1:42.51

Timothy Kitum 1:42.53 Rudish 1:40.91

Pierre-Ambroise Bosse 1:42.53 Rudish 1:42.98

Taoufik Makhloufi 1:42.61 Rudisha 1:42.15

Duane Solomon 1:42.82 Rudisha 1:40.91

Ferguson Cheruiyot 1:42.84 Rudish 1:42.98

Alfred Kipketer 1:42.87

Clayton Murphy 1:42.93 Rudisha 1:42.15

Nick Symmonds 1:42.95 Rudish 1:40.91

I think though that Semenya was a far more reliable pacer than anyone the organisers put in actually as an official pacer. I don't mean because she went the full distance but her pace judgement was more sound.

you are probably very sexist wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The event will now become interesting to watch.

Do you also think all of kipchoge's marathons are not interesting to watch?

nah i think you just think that because all the competitors will all look like women again, and that it has nothing to do with being "fair"

Kipchoge actually looks like he has to put in some effort to win

you are probably very sexist wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The event will now become interesting to watch.

Do you also think all of kipchoge's marathons are not interesting to watch?

nah i think you just think that because all the competitors will all look like women again, and that it has nothing to do with being "fair"

You are comparing two different things. The Semenya situation is more like if Kipchoge had to race an impala for his marathon.

Fallacy detector wrote:

trollism wrote:

As much as you might not like her complaining, she'd be an Olympic medalist now if it wasn't for male athletes in her race.

Career changer.

This is a common fallacy and not just in this event. Re-watch the race then remove Semenya Wambui and Niyonsaba and tell me what happened. Hello? Silence. You have no idea.

The most likely outcome is they all ran in a tight bunch and at least one of them tripped and fell over. Compared with a TT style tow from Semenya it would be much more like a normal tactical 800 which is substantially a lottery depending on how much you get barged/boxed in etc. Unless someone else braved the front and ran the risk of blowing up. Would Sharpe have medalled? Who knows, but you can't deduce it the way you tried to.

That's interesting. So what you're saying is that Sharpe could have won gold had the male athletes not been in the race.

So even more of a career changer.

trollism wrote:

Fallacy detector wrote:

This is a common fallacy and not just in this event. Re-watch the race then remove Semenya Wambui and Niyonsaba and tell me what happened. Hello? Silence. You have no idea.

The most likely outcome is they all ran in a tight bunch and at least one of them tripped and fell over. Compared with a TT style tow from Semenya it would be much more like a normal tactical 800 which is substantially a lottery depending on how much you get barged/boxed in etc. Unless someone else braved the front and ran the risk of blowing up. Would Sharpe have medalled? Who knows, but you can't deduce it the way you tried to.

That's interesting. So what you're saying is that Sharpe could have won gold had the male athletes not been in the race.

So even more of a career changer.

Sharp would still find a way to lose even if everyone else fell over. Then she'd say it was their fault for distracting her. This is the woman who doesn't just blame dsd, she moaned when LAURA MUIR WAS ADDED TO HER 800M RACE!!

Not the sharpest tool wrote:

trollism wrote:

That's interesting. So what you're saying is that Sharpe could have won gold had the male athletes not been in the race.

So even more of a career changer.

Sharp would still find a way to lose even if everyone else fell over. Then she'd say it was their fault for distracting her. This is the woman who doesn't just blame dsd, she moaned when LAURA MUIR WAS ADDED TO HER 800M RACE!!

"Sharp then spoke to the media saying: “Games have been played all week by individuals and also by our governing body, which is meant to be unbiased. It’s disappointing.

“You can call me bitter but I play by the rules and I came here prepared based on what I knew the field was going to be and that was different on Saturday morning. There was a list of accepted athletes and that changed late on Friday night. Throughout the whole week we prepare for who we know our competitors are going to be. To throw something else in the mix overnight is playing a game. It wasn’t fair, is all I can say.”"

Fair enough 'Bitter Lynsey'.

...let the snoring begin.

yes,some intersex athletes will be replaced by a juiced up american.