WTF SERIOUSLY: Lornah Salpeter just ran 2:19:46 Prague ein

Dick Beardsley went from 2:47 in 1977 to 2:08 in 1982.

I'm have to check on that but apparently that's 5 years not 2 1/2 years and we have'nt finished 2019 yet.

Steve Way

2006 3:07

2007 no running training, heavily overweight

2008 2:35

2009 2:25

2010 2:19

Brigid Kosgei:

2015 2:48 Porto

2016 2:25 Lisboa

2017 2:20 Chicago

2018/19 2:18 Chicago/London

Priscilla Welch:

1981 2:59

1982 2:46

1983 2:36

1984 2:28

Most of the massive improvement runners just start late in life, often beyond 30 years of age. Salpeter is a late-bloomer, not as late as the other 3, but her first result on IAAF is a pedestrian 4:36 1500m at age 22. Then she improved year after year and is now 30.

Makes me wonder how fast some of our HS kids would have been had they started in their 20s/30s instead of very early.

PERFORMANCE PLACE DATE

2018 31:33.03 London (GBR) 19 MAY 2018

2017 32:43.89 Tel Aviv (ISR) 20 APR 2017

2016 35:01.33 Tel Aviv (ISR) 21 APR 2016

2015 36:05.01 Tel Aviv (ISR) 28 APR 2015

2014 35:12.99 Tel Aviv (ISR) 08 MAY 2014

2012 35:37.59 Tel Aviv (ISR) 02 MAY 2012

Salpeter's progression. Did she change coaches on 2017? That is definitely a massive improvement.

Nope, but her husband-coach (Dan Salpeter) went on a national olympic coaching program, toured the world and met with a lot of experts in this field. Once he came back all of his athletes have been progressing slowly (well, more accurately a major improvement followed by slow and steady improvements in each race) and have been very consistent.

Check his other elite athlete - Maru Teferi.

As for the whole marathon - Lonah took a long time figuring it out, and Dan decided to stop running it until she figures out the shorter ones. That's why she hasn't raced the marathon from London WC until Florence in Nov 2018.

Lornah Salpeter (12 Dec 1988)

800m

2:10.34........... (2013)

1500m

4:30.54...........(2013)

3000m

9:26.47............ (2013)

10000m

35:37.59..........(2012)

31:33.03......... (2018)

Marathon 4 races

2:40:10......1).........2016

2:40:22......4).........2017

2:24:17......1).........2018

2:19:46......1).........2019

Israeli here wrote:

Nope, but her husband-coach (Dan Salpeter) went on a national olympic coaching program, toured the world and met with a lot of experts in this field. Once he came back all of his athletes have been progressing slowly (well, more accurately a major improvement followed by slow and steady improvements in each race) and have been very consistent.

Check his other elite athlete - Maru Teferi.

As for the whole marathon - Lonah took a long time figuring it out, and Dan decided to stop running it until she figures out the shorter ones. That's why she hasn't raced the marathon from London WC until Florence in Nov 2018.

Sounds legit.

Met some 'experts' and boom 2:19. Wonder what they were 'experts' in?

Armstronglivs wrote:

Why should we be surprised at off-the-charts improvements? All you have to do is 'identify' with being fast and you can become fast nowadays. Where there's a will there's a way.

She's was a diamond in the ruff.

If you are so curious, I've learned a lot from coach Scott Simmons, Coach Renato Canova and more experts at the field of Strength training and Nutrition.

I would be happy to share with you all of my insights that is leading Lonah's progress

Clearly a troll but I'll respond anyway.

You are clearly hinting that she is doping, so in order to explain why tha isn't the case you should understand a the reasons for doping.

In poor countries (Kenya, Ethiopia etc.) running can make the difference between severe poverty and survivng. Those athletes will do anything to prevail, as they have basically nothing to lose.

In rich countries (USA and most of Europe) doping can get you fat contracts, and you can easily become very rich.

Additionaly, some athletes with a close to WR / world domination potential may dope to increase their chances of doing so.

In Israel however, the situation is different. We do not have athletes with fat contracts (in fact all of our elites in any sport are sponsord by a bunch of small companies, getting 500$ top from each), and if an athlete is in the Israeli top he will get shoe contracts AND THAT'S IT. You do earn enough to live and train if you're a pro, but that's about it - you won't get rich even if you're the WR holder.

See Gal Friedman for example: he's twice an olympic medalist in wind surfing (bronze in Atlanta, gold in Athens), and literally had to find a dayjob to sponsor himself as NOBODY PAYS FOR SPORT IN ISRAEL. That rules out the money option.

Now to the world domination potential - Lonah has indeed became a world class 'thonner, but she is not even close to the WR, and nowadays sub 2:20 isn't impressive anymore - nobody expects her to win any major competitions with a strong filed (such as Cherono or Keitany).

Combine that with the fact that we actually test and ban our athletes if they're guilty (not like you guys, basically you're trying to cover your pro's asses), and Lonah has been tested a lot of times and came out clean EVERY SINGLE TIME it means something (and yes she's also under biological passport testing). For example, our previous 100m w NR holder got banned a few days after her NR (both her and her husband have been banned), and our PV NR holder was almost banned a week after her NR for using Ritalin(eventually they didn't ban her because she indeed had the permission to use it) shows that we aren't afraid to take action, even if it means banning our top athletes.

Lonah is a Kenyan born runner with a HUGE genetic adventage and natural talent, but she trained like a hobby jogger until 2017 - while she didn't improve much she didn't wear down either. That's the reason she is so successfull right now - a combination of a dedicated and moivated coach, more knowledge, great potential and a lot of dedication.

???

Some of that rant might have been plausible if you hadn't thrown in the 'Western athletes are being protected' conspiracy theory.

She just earned herself 75,000 Euros. That will feed her family back home probably for the next decade.

BTW, you're clearly somebody very close to her, maybe a coach or agent. I doubt very much some random Israeli running fan is going to come in here and launch a tirade like that in her defence. If I was an Israeli athletics fan, I'd be very concerned that somebody who appears to be the next doping bust in waiting is representing my country's flag.

sub 2:20 is still extremely strong, it's around the 35th best time ever. Also note how she destroyed the field in the Euros 10k last year.

It's certainly true that latecomers can improve tremendously within a few years. This progression might not be totally unpredecented but it is very far from common and surely among the most impressive of the last decades and it does not help to talk a sub 2:20 win down.

I am actually just a fan, and have I had even the smallest doubt about the integrity of an Israeli athlete, I'd say it out loud and ask the hard questions. That's why I'm very relaxed with the progression of Lonah - while she is a new phenomenon for people outside Israel, she's a well-known athelte in Israel and her success came with no surprise.

I've seen that Dan (her coach) is also in this thread - I believe that he'll answer every question regarding her progression, and clear the "fog" for you guys.

cheers

Dan Salpeter wrote:

If you are so curious, I've learned a lot from coach Scott Simmons, Coach Renato Canova and more experts at the field of Strength training and Nutrition.

I would be happy to share with you all of my insights that is leading Lonah's progress

nobody capitalizes Coach, Strength, and Nutrition.

2/10 troll

Most of her improvement is due to weight loss ( about 15 pounds) and less body fat as well.

Take a look at the difference between the two pictures:

Here is a photo of her from Rio, when she used to run 2:40 and 35-4 minutes 10k

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Lornah_Chemtai_Korlima_Rio2016.jpg/220px-Lornah_Chemtai_Korlima_Rio2016.jpg

Here is the 2:19 lonah

http://www.epa.eu/thumb.php/55169213.jpg?eJwljLEOwjAMRP_l5gxOGtfUayckChJBAibUhMDGAHRC_DtWmJ7une4-GKGAw3iCesO5YTLJ7Psh-M7KzRoaDFvT9XG_LK_ZbGoy2UE0TG2YDtD3c6kOx3-9h66IHHYWUXjgXIQpdFRklmtk6SVLiTVTuBV8fzHVIjs~

Gggggg wrote:

Most of her improvement is due to weight loss ( about 15 pounds) and less body fat as well.

Take a look at the difference between the two pictures:

Here is a photo of her from Rio, when she used to run 2:40 and 35-4 minutes 10k

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Lornah_Chemtai_Korlima_Rio2016.jpg/220px-Lornah_Chemtai_Korlima_Rio2016.jpg

Here is the 2:19 lonah

http://www.epa.eu/thumb.php/55169213.jpg?eJwljLEOwjAMRP_l5gxOGtfUayckChJBAibUhMDGAHRC_DtWmJ7une4-GKGAw3iCesO5YTLJ7Psh-M7KzRoaDFvT9XG_LK_ZbGoy2UE0TG2YDtD3c6kOx3-9h66IHHYWUXjgXIQpdFRklmtk6SVLiTVTuBV8fzHVIjs~

Plus, the smart change from adidas to 4%.

So what time could Allie Kiefer run with similar weight loss?

I get it that the weight is a huge factor in the marathon, but some of the best 10k performances have been set by very heavy, strong, runners like Chris Solinsky (6'3/4'', 166 lbs, 26:59).

So the 10k improvement from 35min, 35 min, 36 min, 35 min, 32 min, 31 min despite not getting any benefits from growing anymore (they happened in her late 20s) is still questionable. Also her current marathon PB requires a low 30 min 10k.

We should definitely not be questioning every single outstanding performance - but sometimes things just don't make much sense. And Israel is definitely not the clean country that some people here are suggesting, we had multiple doping cases in a big variety of sports.