Has any sportsman or woman achieved so much in AND for their sport as Sebastian Coe?

Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:

Ummm... ever heard of Billie Jean King?

So fighting for equal money in women's tennis (for less work) is greater than saving women's sport?

Not Coevett wrote:

Holder of one of the most incredible WRs in history - his 800m, which makes him still the 3rd fastest man in the event nearly 40 years later with all the improvements in tracks, shoes, and of course the EPO era.

Definitely incredible.

surfing girl wrote:

Kelly Slater.

This.

+ Mike Stewart; Terje Haakonsen; Kilian Jornet (although he arguably did a lot in 2 different sports).

Coevett wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Right. No blood booster beats unrestricted offseason steroid use.

Still find it astonishing how Coe managed to maintain his waif like frame when he benefited (unlike all the other strapping middle-distance guys around at the time) from 'unrestricted roiding' combined with public weight training sessions.

It would be impressive enough today, but back in the 70's, Coe and his father must have known more about steroids than the entire GDR doping science community.

Try running all mileage runs for the week sub-7 minutes per mile, 40 miles per week. Try doing all track workouts for the week at sub-5 minutes per mile. Do at least 40% of running in the morning before breakfast. You'll see.

Jerep wrote:

The fact that Coe is asking Semenya to take drugs to compete tells you what kind of ethics he has. Obviously a doper through and through.

You haven't a clue or else don't give a sh** about female sport!

She was born with XY chromosome, so she is genetically a Male. She has internal testes that produce male levels of testosterone, no ovaries and no womb. She was born intersex, more Male with some female attributes. If she loves running and being a woman so much then she would have her testes removed, which would stop her having to take any medication, which you are so against. She won’t because she knows that this would take away her advantage that enables her to win and make all that money. That is her choice. No one is stopping her running, no one is forcing her to take medication. For someone who is so adamant she is a woman, I find it strange that she is obviously more fond of her internal testes, that represent masculinity and give her the testosterone levels of a man, than she is of running in the women's 800m, albeit with testosterone levels still way above any other woman she is competing against (5nmol as opposed to the highest recorded level of an XX female of 1.7nmol)!

The whole topic has been hijacked by the pc brigade who want to make it a sexist or racist or homophobic ruling. It isn’t. It’s about sport and the ideal of fair play and a level playing field. If Semenya was that bothered about running then she would have her testes, that have pumped testosterone around her body since puberty, removed in a 1 off operation. That would end all the problems. But the thing is she wants her cake and eat it!

I have no problem recognising her as a woman and living as a woman, despite being intersex. It is her choice whether she wants to live as a male or female. But in the sporting arena, where there are 2 distinct categories, then she has to abide by the very specific rules governing what is meant to be a woman. All women born with the XX chromosome have testosterone levels below 1.7 nmol. It is a very narrow range. Men’s testosterone levels can range from 7.9 to 29.4nmol. Semenya’s levels as a 46 XY (male chromosome) DSD would lie somewhere in the male range; meaning that even in the lower range of around 10.0 nmol, she has levels that are approximately 10 times that of any woman she competes against. This is because she has testes, which no woman with an XX chromosome possess. No one is stopping Semenya from running, she can run as much as she wants against men, who possess the same levels of testosterone, she just shouldn’t be able to run in the women’s category, because she has a Y chromosome. Even with the ruling, the IAAF is allowing a very generous max level of 5.0nmol, which is 3 times more than XX women with the highest recorded levels of testosterone, for Semenya to drop to. Her reluctance to do this in my mind suggests that she doesn’t believe she would still be at the top of the world rankings if this were to happen, which only reinforces (and indeed would prove) the suggestion that her ‘greatness’ as an athlete is solely reliant on such extremely high testosterone levels.

The fact that all 3 medallists from the 'women's (or should I call it the 'mostly XX women but with a few dominant XY intersex athletes') ' 800m in the Rio Olympics were XY intersex athletes with exaggerated levels of testosterone, is surely conclusive evidence that testosterone is the deciding factor for male dominance and that these athletes have an unfair advantage. I think the IAAF are actually being too generous to lower the limit to only 5.0nmol. Semenya's success over the last 10 years has had a devastating effect on the lives and financial situations of dozens of hard working women whi have been treated unfairly.

Coe is definitely doing the right thing on this issue, and hopefully now the precedent is set, he will look towards extending the ruling to all events.

He has also proved to be a lone voice standing up to the state sponsored cheating in Russia, has cracked down on those countries with poor records on testing their own athletes and limited athletes from changing nationality for financial expediency. Of course there are still things to be done, but his first term tenure has achieved more positive results than all those years under Diack and Nebiolo.

casual obsever wrote:

Not Coevett wrote:

Holder of one of the most incredible WRs in history - his 800m, which makes him still the 3rd fastest man in the event nearly 40 years later with all the improvements in tracks, shoes, and of course the EPO era.

Definitely incredible.

Not really when you consider Coe's blend of 400 speed and 1500m endurance was pretty much unique.

What other athletes have shown 46 flat 400m ability and sub 3:30 1500m ability at the same time?

Those 2 that have run faster than him over 800 were more speed orientated, while none of those (perhaps with exception of Manangoi) with sub 3:30 1500 ability has been capable of running 46/1:42.

There is no drug/s that can enable that, improve speed and endurance.

All blood doping episodes that have come to light in the 70's and 80's were for 5 and 10 k guys, not 46 second 800m runners.

Deanouk

You are a fraud. What a piece of garbage you are. You cite Coe's unique blend of talents. How stupid are you? All the doping apologists say similar things. Coe is a fraud like you.

Deanouk wrote:

There is no drug/s that can enable that, improve speed and endurance.

That's a joke, right?

Simple answer: roids for speed, blood transfusions for endurance.

what are you talking about transgender

Sure, Bannister and Snell have achieved at least as much, to make just two.

John Elway, Pele, Michel Platini, Frank Robinson, Wayne Gretzky, Bill Russell and by the time Sir Coe retires it appears he will have wiped out his sport of distance running.

Just looked at the all time list and 33 guys have run 1:42.xx, but only 5 have run under that.

casual obsever wrote:

Not Coevett wrote:

Holder of one of the most incredible WRs in history - his 800m, which makes him still the 3rd fastest man in the event nearly 40 years later with all the improvements in tracks, shoes, and of course the EPO era.

Definitely incredible.

saviour seb wrote:

he will go down in history as the one who saved T&F as we know it. Next. Remove race walk, hammer throw,shot put and triple jump .

Yep, then sell all the stadiums for tough mudder comps, and put everyone on the roads.

Preferably Malls and freeway exit ramps.

Bannister is a good contender as he achieved in 2 fields.

He didn't win Olympic gold but medicine more important than sport.

How about Jerry West in basketball?

Player

Considered 3rd best shooting guard all time (behind M.J. and Kobe)

Nine Finals appearances (One Title)

One MVP

He's the Logo

14 time all-star

Gold Medal 1960 Olympics

Executive

Eight NBA titles as General Manager or Executive (6 Lakers, 2 Warriors)

Coe allegedly lied according to Bedford, reportedly to boost his chances of getting the IAAF job. This is not a man who should be trusted and he should resign immediately.

Silly, troll post.

Unless you have a good knowledge of sports culture across the globe, the answer to such a question would be ill-informed.

How did bringing the Olympics to London help T&F?

I think Coe was a great runner, but his influence on T&F is small in comparison to Bolt, Nurmi and Owens, to name just a few men. He has no name recognition outside of the UK (and not much within the UK). Also, through no fault of his own, his only Oly titles were in games that were boycotted by east and west delegations.

Ekekek wrote:

Coe allegedly lied according to Bedford, reportedly to boost his chances of getting the IAAF job. This is not a man who should be trusted and he should resign immediately.

Lied about what?

just wanna know wrote:

Lied about what?

Bedford called, texted, and emailed Coe repeatedly about the Russian scandal, but the Lord did not act upon it. When questioned, he said that he didn't read the email.

Still haven't heard about why he didn't read the texts either, and why he hadn't listened during the phone call where Bedford informed him. But maybe Brits don't hear so well, whether it's during a phone call or when the doorbell and the phone rings.

He was also Chair of the FIFA Ethics committee during the height of their bribery scandal, and didn't do anything.

When then Seppelt uncovered more, Coe failed to thank him; instead he called that a declaration of war, and the commenting experts Drs. Ashenden and Parisotto "so-called scientists".

He is also fighting against transparency and against criminalization of doping.

Oh, and he lobbied for his employer Nike to his long-time friend and "spiritual leader", the IAAF president Diack, misusing his position as IAAF's vice president, and then boldly lied about it despite the evidence saying otherwise.

Of course in his private life, he is known as a long-time cheat.

I better stop, but yeah, that's the kind of person people here treat as a hero. Sad but true.