Dutch Press ?: Is the IAAF Actively Trying To Reduce African Dominace?

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Another day, another self pity party

^ Did I write that article?

It sure seems wrong, The Article says the Africans don't sell a single ticket, Ezekiel Kemboi, Geb, K. Bekele, M. Defar, T. Dibaba, Eliud Kipchoge, Ayana, Rudisha etc. I am sure sold LOTS of tickets, And it is always good to see who rises to that level in the future Kejelcha, Barrega, Obiri.

As for the dominance, that is the challenge of athletes from other countries to reach that level, Jager is competitive, Rupp was competitive, J. Ingebrigtsen looks at 18 looks to be a force in the near future.

It seems kind of like they are saying Kenya and Ethiopia are too good, so were taking our ball and going home, Instead of trying to compete, Many/Most of the top European times (Not counting African Imports) are from 30-50 years ago, besides Farah all of the top Brits Coe, Cram, Ovett, P. Elliot, S. Jones, B. Foster, Moorcroft are from the 1970's-early 1980's, Same with Portugal C. Lopes, Mamede, Pinto, Same with Italy Antibo, Panetta the 1:43.70 800 Italian Record is from the EARLY 70's, Germany same Wessinghage, Hudak, D. Bauman, Kunze, Schildhauer, Sweden had Anders Garderud run 8:08 NR in the Steeple from the 70's (which was improved by an African Import to 8:05) Finland has not had a good 5000/10000 Runner since Marti Vaino who has to be close to 70 if not in his 70's. If all these Countries just kept improving their National Records at a normal rate they would still be competitive.

El Keniano wrote:

This, by the way, is courtesy of Coevett who linked it in another thread for his own ends, already well known. I think the fact that such a question is being raised, even in Europe is very interesting and if it is true what many suspect (that Coe and his regime are driven by racial motives), then history will be harsh and unforgiving to Sebastian Coe. A permanent stain on the legacy of the man who killed track distance running.

You're in bad taste El K. I posted that article because the main Kenyan contributer of it, and the guy whining about European racism, has recently had one of his athletes caught doping (after the article was published).

If Coe was 'driven by racial motives' he would have banned Kenya already instead of cutting the 5K from the DL.

I'm beginning to think you might be a Russian troll serving two purposes.

Firstly, to constantly denigrate Seb Coe and the IAAF.

Secondly, to help get Kenya eventually banned by claiming to speak for Kenyans with your constant doping apologism and refusal to admit there is a problem.

El Keniano wrote:

^ Did I write that article?

You sound exactly like the Kenyan doping coach Michel Boeting who is playing the victim in the article. And you obviously agree with everything he says or you wouldn't have posted it.

Coevett wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

^ Did I write that article?

You sound exactly like the Kenyan doping coach Michel Boeting who is playing the victim in the article. And you obviously agree with everything he says or you wouldn't have posted it.

Boys, you ever have one of those days where you’re 100% sue coevett and el keniano are the same pimply dork replying to their own posts under different usernames ?

I'm starting to think El Keniano and Coevette could be soulmates. Opposites attract.

The answer to the OP's question is quite clearly yes. It's a bit surprising since in the years before Coe, the IAAF leadership was dominated by Africans. It's stunning that they seem to have so little influence now.

As to the notion that Africans don't sell tickets, well, I'm a New Yorker, and I can tell you that David Rudisha was the biggest draw when he appeared at the Golden League/Diamond League meet at Icahn Stadium. And that the year he came to the Millrose Games, Kenenisa Bekele was the biggest draw

Weird outfit, that IAAF. They still treat Marita Koch like she's a hero.

I dont think they are trying that. But it would be good for the sport. Just Imagine what a few years without africans would do for the popularity of running worldwide.

Semenyagoat wrote:

I dont think they are trying that. But it would be good for the sport. Just Imagine what a few years without africans would do for the popularity of running worldwide.

There would be very few races I would watch.

I like a good race at any level but I also like to watch runners run fast times. I prefer to watch a masters' 10.000m won in 31:50 than "pros" battling it out in 28:30 like we would be seeing with that scenario.

Europe and South America's talents are lost to soccer. And the US, well, we know the state of things at least with men's long distance.

Africa banned from the sport for a few years would result in an influx of talent from elsewhere. There is already more talent coming in (and sticking around) as we see with the juniors in the UK, US, Australia, NZ.. As soon as the perception is created that non-Africans can compete at the top, you would see talent returning and times back to where they should be (ie. Europeans running sub 3:28 1500m etc). I don't think it's just about football paying ridiculous salaries. It's at least as much the perception that you have to be 1/East African and 2/doped to the gills to get to the top in middle and long distance running.

Early riser wrote:

Semenyagoat wrote:

I dont think they are trying that. But it would be good for the sport. Just Imagine what a few years without africans would do for the popularity of running worldwide.

There would be very few races I would watch.

I like a good race at any level but I also like to watch runners run fast times. I prefer to watch a masters' 10.000m won in 31:50 than "pros" battling it out in 28:30 like we would be seeing with that scenario.

Europe and South America's talents are lost to soccer. And the US, well, we know the state of things at least with men's long distance.

Thats a nice attitude to have. But you and many on lets run are a small core of fans. Most people Watchers sports to see athletes of their country win or at least fight for the win. Thats exactly why running is a niche sport compared to the past

douglas burke wrote:

If all these Countries just kept improving their National Records at a normal rate they would still be competitive.

Indeed - over decades, despite all the technology and knowledge improvements. I blame the increased doping controls nowadays, in blatant contrast to the virtually unlimited Wild West doping of the Cold War era.

We are now observing the same thing on the track with the male Africans (while the females are still catching up): no distance world record of note (aside from indoor) since 2012, the height of the IAAF corruption. No long distance WR since 2009, the introduction of the ABP.

Hmmm, let's see:

800 m: 2012

1500 m: 1998

Mile: 1999

3000 m: 1996

5000 m: 2004

10000 m: 2005

You may as well have wrote it as you’ve whined about the same message here. What injustice will you make up for today’s pity party? ????

brokenrecord wrote:

You may as well have wrote it as you’ve whined about the same message here. What injustice will you make up for today’s pity party? ????

What a unempathetic and xenophobic prick you clearly are. Oblivious to and completely unwilling to engage and understand the existence, feelings and lives of other people. That is the outline profile of an inferior human that really doesn't belong, is way more bad than good and just needs to be removed from the situation for the betterment of everyone.

Yg101 wrote:

brokenrecord wrote:

You may as well have wrote it as you’ve whined about the same message here. What injustice will you make up for today’s pity party? ????

What a unempathetic and xenophobic prick you clearly are. Oblivious to and completely unwilling to engage and understand the existence, feelings and lives of other people. That is the outline profile of an inferior human that really doesn't belong, is way more bad than good and just needs to be removed from the situation for the betterment of everyone.

I have empathy for all kinds of people. I don't have sympathy for people like El K who manufacture alleged injustices so that they can cry themselves to sleep every night. It does a disservice to real injustices. If everything is racist, then nothing is. How you got "xenophobic" out of that is mind-blowing.

Coevett wrote:

Africa banned from the sport for a few years would result in an influx of talent from elsewhere.

There's no basis on which to ban the continent. Sorry to burst your fantasy's bubble.

I think WADA is doing a good job of that. Now it's up to race directors.

And:

I had a race director tell me that he can get many Kenyans at $2000.00 (tops) each. That's a fortune to them.

In the US and Europe it's way below poverty.

But now that so many are getting caught, hopefully, fewer will get invites and Western athletes can see a glimmer of hope.

There has been a lot of positive doping tests coming out of Kenya the last year or two. Maybe the IAAF does not want to put a blanket ban Kenya like they did with Russia, and therefore decided to only reduce the number of events that Kenyans traditionally dominate, thereby still allowing Kenyans to compete albeit at fewer competitions. Ironically, this would make Coe the opposite of racists.