Are the sugars in fruits good or bad for you?

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Your claim to be a "science guy" is comparable to AOC claiming to be an "economist", although she supposedly has at least a piece of paper to back up her sad claim.

You make the exact same arguments that I would have made...in 1977. The fact that you had never even heard of antinutrients (one of the most critical health-affecting components of plant products) until a few weeks ago is testimony to your head-in-the-sand/fingers-in-the-ears blinkered mindset. Stop giving out advice on diet until you can catch up to the 21st century on the issues. Stick to what you know: vlogging your MUT stuff in the meantime.

Why don't YOU "stop giving out diet advice" ??? Why the F-CK should anyone listen to YOU??? Because you jumped on the bandwagon of all these idiotic fad diet trends ?? Wow, you and 1000's and 1000's of other idiots. Your "new cutting edge!" diet knowledge is dime a dozen internet nonsense.

And the hilarious and ironic thing about your types continually spouting off about "diet advice stuck in the past, catch up to the NEW knowledge!" is that the absolute, current, and up to date, and most recent diet advice from virtually ALL of the top science/health/nutrition advisory groups around the world goes against your "exciting NEW 'knowledge' " crap. Virtually all expert organizations agree with the following:

Eat more whole grains (yes, carbs, fiber)

Eat more fruit (yes, carbs/fiber)

Eat more veggies (carbs, fiber, but low cal)

Eat LESS Red Meat

Eat LESS sat fat

(likely) Eat more low fat Dairy

Eat more legumes/beans

Eat more nuts

Eat more UNsaturated Fats

Eat lean cuts of meat (if eating meat)

(and yes, eat less sugar)

Virtually ALL of the above goes against your idiotic VERY LOW CARB-KETO-DON'T EAT GRAINS-FIBER DOESN'T MATTER-PALEO-MEAT FIRST! fad diet BS.

Expert group after expert group have looked at the most current and most up-to-date way of crunching data and examining clinical trials and population data, and have even taken a serious look at the claims of your paleo-low-carb heroes, and the above are their current recommendations.

Why don't YOU stop getting brainwashed by internet whaco's looking to make a $ off gullible fools like you who will literally eat up any and all "NEW AND EXCITING" , sexy against-the-grain diet advice. People like you are sitting ducks for them to sucker in with their "rogue"/contrarian viewpoints.

Join US in the 21st century, and stopping promoting untested, BS, anecdotal advice.

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Your claim to be a "science guy" is comparable to AOC claiming to be an "economist", although she supposedly has at least a piece of paper to back up her sad claim.

You make the exact same arguments that I would have made...in 1977. The fact that you had never even heard of antinutrients (one of the most critical health-affecting components of plant products) until a few weeks ago is testimony to your head-in-the-sand/fingers-in-the-ears blinkered mindset. Stop giving out advice on diet until you can catch up to the 21st century on the issues. Stick to what you know: vlogging your MUT stuff in the meantime.

Why don't YOU "stop giving out diet advice" ??? Why the F-CK should anyone listen to YOU??? Because you jumped on the bandwagon of all these idiotic fad diet trends ?? Wow, you and 1000's and 1000's of other idiots. Your "new cutting edge!" diet knowledge is dime a dozen internet nonsense.

And the hilarious and ironic thing about your types continually spouting off about "diet advice stuck in the past, catch up to the NEW knowledge!" is that the absolute, current, and up to date, and most recent diet advice from virtually ALL of the top science/health/nutrition advisory groups around the world goes against your "exciting NEW 'knowledge' " crap. Virtually all expert organizations agree with the following:

Eat more whole grains (yes, carbs, fiber)

Eat more fruit (yes, carbs/fiber)

Eat more veggies (carbs, fiber, but low cal)

Eat LESS Red Meat

Eat LESS sat fat

(likely) Eat more low fat Dairy

Eat more legumes/beans

Eat more nuts

Eat more UNsaturated Fats

Eat lean cuts of meat (if eating meat)

(and yes, eat less sugar)

Virtually ALL of the above goes against your idiotic VERY LOW CARB-KETO-DON'T EAT GRAINS-FIBER DOESN'T MATTER-PALEO-MEAT FIRST! fad diet BS.

Expert group after expert group have looked at the most current and most up-to-date way of crunching data and examining clinical trials and population data, and have even taken a serious look at the claims of your paleo-low-carb heroes, and the above are their current recommendations.

Why don't YOU stop getting brainwashed by internet whaco's looking to make a $ off gullible fools like you who will literally eat up any and all "NEW AND EXCITING" , sexy against-the-grain diet advice. People like you are sitting ducks for them to sucker in with their "rogue"/contrarian viewpoints.

Join US in the 21st century, and stopping promoting untested, BS, anecdotal advice.

YMMV wrote:

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

Why don't YOU "stop giving out diet advice" ??? Why the F-CK should anyone listen to YOU??? Because you jumped on the bandwagon of all these idiotic fad diet trends ?? Wow, you and 1000's and 1000's of other idiots. Your "new cutting edge!" diet knowledge is dime a dozen internet nonsense.

And the hilarious and ironic thing about your types continually spouting off about "diet advice stuck in the past, catch up to the NEW knowledge!" is that the absolute, current, and up to date, and most recent diet advice from virtually ALL of the top science/health/nutrition advisory groups around the world goes against your "exciting NEW 'knowledge' " crap. Virtually all expert organizations agree with the following:

Eat more whole grains (yes, carbs, fiber)

Eat more fruit (yes, carbs/fiber)

Eat more veggies (carbs, fiber, but low cal)

Eat LESS Red Meat

Eat LESS sat fat

(likely) Eat more low fat Dairy

Eat more legumes/beans

Eat more nuts

Eat more UNsaturated Fats

Eat lean cuts of meat (if eating meat)

(and yes, eat less sugar)

Virtually ALL of the above goes against your idiotic VERY LOW CARB-KETO-DON'T EAT GRAINS-FIBER DOESN'T MATTER-PALEO-MEAT FIRST! fad diet BS.

Expert group after expert group have looked at the most current and most up-to-date way of crunching data and examining clinical trials and population data, and have even taken a serious look at the claims of your paleo-low-carb heroes, and the above are their current recommendations.

Why don't YOU stop getting brainwashed by internet whaco's looking to make a $ off gullible fools like you who will literally eat up any and all "NEW AND EXCITING" , sexy against-the-grain diet advice. People like you are sitting ducks for them to sucker in with their "rogue"/contrarian viewpoints.

Join US in the 21st century, and stopping promoting untested, BS, anecdotal advice.

That list is exactly the same as it was in 1980, when the current holocaust of obesity and disease (particularly autoimmune disease) hit high gear and has not abated. The political-industrial establishment, including the ADA, AHA, FDA, etc.. has a huge (as in billion$ from their primary donors from Big Agra and Big Pharma) stake in continuing this status quo which they initiated and continue ram home throughout the media and academia. What I am providing is information which is alternative, and yes, contradictory for the most part, but which is based on current research, most of which is underfunded and repressed when possible.

I encourage anyone who is experiencing health and performance success with these conventional recommendations to, by all means, stick with them. If however, you find that your results are wanting in terms of energy level, recovery, immune function, orthopedic health, or even mental health, I think that the alternatives which I have offered, and have helped tens of thousands, are well worth a look. In other words, YMMV, but NEVER should you settle for compromised health. Never stop evolving,

The rabidity of my mostly anon opposition here is telling with regard to the level of fear and confusion they are experiencing. Whether their basis is egoic or economic, or both, is none of my concern. They are the epitome of those who are unwilling and unable to evolve as athletes or as human beings.

S. Canaday wrote:

wait, you're worried about all the money from "Big Agra" trying to push those evil vegetable and fruit crops?

Realize meat/dairy is a Billions of dollar industry in the US alone....tied up in government subsidies even...and you think the Atkins/low carb/high-pro meat/dairy studies that support your stance are "underfunded"?!

YMMV wrote:

That list is exactly the same as it was in 1980, when the current holocaust of obesity and disease (particularly autoimmune disease) hit high gear and has not abated. The political-industrial establishment, including the ADA, AHA, FDA, etc.. has a huge (as in billion$ from their primary donors from Big Agra and Big Pharma) stake in continuing this status quo which they initiated and continue ram home throughout the media and academia. What I am providing is information which is alternative, and yes, contradictory for the most part, but which is based on current research, most of which is underfunded and repressed when possible.

I encourage anyone who is experiencing health and performance success with these conventional recommendations to, by all means, stick with them. If however, you find that your results are wanting in terms of energy level, recovery, immune function, orthopedic health, or even mental health, I think that the alternatives which I have offered, and have helped tens of thousands, are well worth a look. In other words, YMMV, but NEVER should you settle for compromised health. Never stop evolving,

The rabidity of my mostly anon opposition here is telling with regard to the level of fear and confusion they are experiencing. Whether their basis is egoic or economic, or both, is none of my concern. They are the epitome of those who are unwilling and unable to evolve as athletes or as human beings.

YMMV wrote:

back woods wrote:

Fructose is fructose, whether it's in a chocolate bar or an apple. Too much of it is bad for you because it makes you fat and has bad effects on the insulin system.

For the same amount of fructose consumed as chocolate or as fruit it is possibly healthier in the form of fruit, because of the fiber, vitamins, etc., but that does not mean that it is healthy to eat 10 bananas a day.

All this "we evolved to eat blah" nonsense is just the worst sort of pseudo-science based on a caricatural understanding of evolution and physiology. These people are spiritual kin of anti-vaxers and other charlatans.

I suppose that any study of history, paleontology, archeology, philosophy, etc. is anathema to you; just a bunch of "pseudoscience" with no contemporary relevance. Context is unimportant when you only operate in one or two dimensions I suppose. It is this blinkered point of view that has gotten us into this global health crisis after all, but as long as you are comfortable in spending the last 40% of your lifespan in some sort of disability, ignorance is bliss.

The bottom line for me is performance: athletically, cognitively and holistically. It serves me well to know the "why" as well as the "what". That way I know not only the action that I need to take, but also am able to aim it in the proper direction.