cole sprout is the best rabbit in HS history

ric flair wooooooooooo wrote:

Anything is interesting, if you look at it that way wrote:

Knowing ahead of time that few people would care about this, but I'll ask anyway because that's what I do - Is Cole Sprout's 8:40 the second fastest 2nd place time? I believe Grant Fisher's loss to Drew Hunter and Brooks 2 mile was faster. Any other?

And yes, I do find it interesting that it might be the 2nd place 2nd place time.

1. nico young 8:40

2. cole sprout 8:40

1. drew hunter 8:42

2. grant fisher 8:43

As mentioned earlier in the thread, you need to do conversions. Fisher's 8:43.5 converts to just a little faster than 8:40.7

Me too, Cole Sprout was awesome!

Considering that Young's form was all over the place, his time is particularly remarkable. What happens when his form is cleaned up and he doesn't waste so much extra movement? Fine kick in that time, but I still rate Sprout's time ahead because he did all the work and Young did struggle a bit to keep up--though he probably looked more like he was struggling because of that form than he actually was when you consider the final lap speed. Sprout could run low 8:30s with college-level pacers in two weeks if he gets the opportunity. You have to say that with these two guys being juniors (and it's just April, as well!), Verzbicas's record may well be under threat next year.

Noah Ngeny is the best rabbit in history. I literally think he helped Gourrouj a lot in running faster times and he deserved his gold in 2000. If it wasn't for his car accident I think he had more left to give and could potential add at least 1 more WR to his 1000m WR.

zxczxcv wrote:

Verzbicas's record may well be under threat next year.

Absolutely zero chance of that happening

There is no reason to think that any high school distance record is safe. Kids have crazy parents who get them started early and hire high paid private coaches. They fly them all over the country to compete in national class meets. So if the kid has 7:50 3k potential which would have been achieved through more gradual development at age 22, under this expedited system, he may hit 8:30 for 3200 at age 18 and never go faster than 7:55 in college.

zxczxcv wrote:

Considering that Young's form was all over the place, his time is particularly remarkable.

What happens when his form is cleaned up and he doesn't waste so much extra movement?

He could probably still break 10 minutes but who knows.

Record player wrote:

Better is worse, better is worse, better is worse. The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

Stop doing that now.

I do love how strangers pontificate about people/situations they know nothing about so allow me the grace to fill in some facts here.

Cole didn’t start to run until the end of middle school (really not until 8th grade). We chose not to have our kids do organized sports before then. We Mountain biked, hiked, skiied and played tennis.......mostly for fun, although Cole was a great mtn bike racer. Cole is coached ONLY by his high school coach-who would probably not consider himself to be high paid. We don’t pay any “professionals” to train him. He averages 40 miles per week....less during track season and has maxed at around 50. We choose to take him to national meets because it provides him opportunity to race with comparable runners, which almost never happens in Colorado. I know it’s hard for some to accept that there are people who are truly blessed with a gift for something and that it isn’t contrived, but what you see here is a kid with a gift who works dang hard. If anything we, as his parents, tend to hold him back rather than push him forward.

Record player wrote:

There is no reason to think that any high school distance record is safe. Kids have crazy parents who get them started early and hire high paid private coaches. They fly them all over the country to compete in national class meets. So if the kid has 7:50 3k potential which would have been achieved through more gradual development at age 22, under this expedited system, he may hit 8:30 for 3200 at age 18 and never go faster than 7:55 in college.

You're mixing up Little League baseball and track.

Great to know. Awesome job parenting! He is so mature in his interviews, so level-headed even after losses where he did a lot of the work, and I love watching him race. Tough, confident kid. Truly gifted. There hasn't been anything like him out of CO since Adam Goucher.

I saw he was going to run the Brooks PR--will it be in the mile or the 2-mile? Nico Young and Liam Anderson are both not racing any more this summer, so I'm wondering if the mile will have better comp with Culpepper et al.

I love how people like yourself post and act like they are on the inside loop. Posts like yours can be just as fake as the people posting that "know nothing".

The best thing is to let the HS kids race and train and stop defending someone on the boards.

Interesting to hear. He's got a bright future. Thanks!

Once again at desert twilight this past weekend sprout rabbited Leo Daschbach

Jgt11 wrote:

Once again at desert twilight this past weekend sprout rabbited Leo Daschbach

I'm guessing his multiple runner-up finishes are still better than anything you ever accomplished.

Slowhsboi wrote:

5th all-time wrote:

Lukas Verzbicas 8:29.46

German Fernandez 8:34.40

Jeff Nelson 8:36.3

Edward Cheserek 8:39.15i

Nico Young 8:40.00

Gerry Lindgren 8:40.0i

8:29.46 *Verzbicas’ 2011

8:34.40 Fernandez 2008

8:36.3 Nelson 1979

8:37.68i+ Hunter 2016

8:39.15i Cheserek’ 2013

8:39.40+ Hasty 2018

8:40.0i Lindgren 1964

8:40.9 Virgin 1973

8:41.55 Centrowitz 2007

8:41.5 Prefontaine

This is a list from trackandfieldnews.com with 3000’s and 3200’s converted to 2-mile. According to milesplit, an 8:40.00 3200 converts to an 8:43.02 2-mile, so he’s still 1.5 seconds outside of this list. Even if you don’t count the 3000 conversions, that only eliminates Hasty because Drew Hunter also ran an 8:42 2 mile

Fernandez's time at the CIF state meet was 8:34.23. Where does 8:34.40 come from?

GFR wrote:

Slowhsboi wrote:

8:29.46 *Verzbicas’ 2011

8:34.40 Fernandez 2008

8:36.3 Nelson 1979

8:37.68i+ Hunter 2016

8:39.15i Cheserek’ 2013

8:39.40+ Hasty 2018

8:40.0i Lindgren 1964

8:40.9 Virgin 1973

8:41.55 Centrowitz 2007

8:41.5 Prefontaine

This is a list from trackandfieldnews.com with 3000’s and 3200’s converted to 2-mile. According to milesplit, an 8:40.00 3200 converts to an 8:43.02 2-mile, so he’s still 1.5 seconds outside of this list. Even if you don’t count the 3000 conversions, that only eliminates Hasty because Drew Hunter also ran an 8:42 2 mile

Fernandez's time at the CIF state meet was 8:34.23. Where does 8:34.40 come from?

This is all great, but your making sound like Coles competition is training at Nike with Jerry himself. They all have similar situations and have High School coaches.

Better off staying off the message boards and letting the haters hate.