Be that as it may, that greedy Lord is all about money, not racism. See his history of actively seeking out conflict of interest scenarios to financially benefit from them. Plus nationalism, see his blind support of likely dopers Farah and Radcliffe.
El Keniano wrote:
I’m glad you find racism “entertaining”. Many of us who’ve experienced it at various points of our lives would take a slightly differing view.
money money money wrote:
Be that as it may, that greedy Lord is all about money, not racism. See his history of actively seeking out conflict of interest scenarios to financially benefit from them.
Plus nationalism, see his blind support of likely dopers Farah and Radcliffe.
El Keniano wrote:
I’m glad you find racism “entertaining”. Many of us who’ve experienced it at various points of our lives would take a slightly differing view.
Good point.
El Keniano wrote:
Sessions recessions wrote:
Coevett is entertaining, most of the time. Jamin just whines and complains about everything.
I’m glad you find racism “entertaining”. Many of us who’ve experienced it at various points of our lives would take a slightly differing view.
Does that include the Ethiopians who experience racism in 'your' country El K? The people you've described as 'good for nothings'? Similarly, Nigerian immigrants to Kenya, who you've implied have lower IQ , couldn't organize a pi$$ up in a brewery, are the cause of crime in 'your' country and need to be kicked out? Or the despicable white man, every single one responsible for all the problems in Africa, even if their families have been living there for centuries, and are now facing genocide in Kenya just like in South Africa and Zimbabwe?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4291586/End-white-man-Africa.html^Read before posting links from that right wing rag, the Daily Fail. Those nomadic tribesmen in Kenya were never interested in anyone’s land.
El Keniano wrote:
Well before his time. Trying to kill off track distance running simply because Westerners are uncompetitive, and the ‘wrong’ kind of people keep winning is going deprive true fans of the spectacle of this talented young man attacking Kenenisa Bekele’s records. Proof positive that ‘Lord’ Sebastian Coe is no friend of athletics.
I wonder if 99.99% swimming and cycling will try to diversify too.
https://youtu.be/iRtVcf06jzM
Barega is as dirty as they get. He, along with Tefera, have exhibited every subjective symptom of off-season epo. Lack of race consistency, ridiculous performances followed by zero perceived fatigue (his 12:40s 5k where he blew past kjelcha- a clean athlete who's training under the world's best and has been consistently strong for several years- and then continued to run past the line for 50 meters or so, jumping around yelling, not out of breath at all) . And he's not tested offseason.
El K has a point wrote:
And of course the changes in events are due to racism... The fact that distance races are a bunch of black guys from Africa makes the rich white audience (except LetsRun!) tune out and not care.
It's probably worth noting that black athletes dominate the sprints at least as completely as they dominate distance running. Perhaps there's a difference because countries like the U.S. have more people whose ancestry traces back to West Africa (like most sprinters) than East Africa (where the best distance runners currently come from). Still, it's hard to argue that eliminating the 5,000 is motivated simply by racism. If they limited the Diamond League to throwing events, then you'd have a point.
To me, the best argument is that the Diamond League is designed to create an ongoing set of matchups where the best athletes in each event face each over and over again in an attempt to win the series. But nobody wants to race 12 high-quality 5,000 races in a row. Of course, some of the Diamond League meets will still have 5,000 in them -- they just won't be part of the official Diamond League series that culminates in the awarding of a diamond.
Last time I checked, "westerners" didn't make the decision, Coe did.
A committee did. You should start apportioning some blame/praise to the new CEO, a former world class 110m hurdler, and nor assume it's all down to an 800/1500 man.
There will be plenty of other opportunities for 5000/10,000 runners. Just not racing the same race 12 times per season for points in the 'diamond race'.
pro sports are about bums on seats.
Nothing else.
Rowing used to be a pro sport.
Men's athletics used to be a college sport now its clinging to the edge of Title 9 decisions.
If you sport relies on finances then at some stage you're going to go home devastated.
When I was growing up we never expected to make a living running or jumping. Today the opportunities are pretty endless. Road running and marathons - heck who needs the track anymore?
So, when’s the big announcement? That the 5000m and 10,000m have been cut from the Olympics and Worlds? Won’t make sense because they can both be run as straight finals which is better than the endless heats we get with the sprints.
crumplestiltskin wrote:
pro sports are about bums on seats.
Nothing else.
Rowing used to be a pro sport.
Men's athletics used to be a college sport now its clinging to the edge of Title 9 decisions.
If you sport relies on finances then at some stage you're going to go home devastated.
When I was growing up we never expected to make a living running or jumping. Today the opportunities are pretty endless. Road running and marathons - heck who needs the track anymore?
I'd bet XC will have greater longevity than road races.
You may not know: Law enforcement and medical workers used to donate their time at road races over forty years ago. Road races are highly inconvenient for residents of a city whom are not racing. Forty plus years ago big road races had entry fees of only $5 or $10. What makes you think runners whom are not world class will continue to pay over $100 for entry fees and continue to pay over $200 for one night at Best Western (Best Western is not worth over $200 a night under any circumstance).
El Keniano wrote:
money money money wrote:
Be that as it may, that greedy Lord is all about money, not racism. See his history of actively seeking out conflict of interest scenarios to financially benefit from them.
Plus nationalism, see his blind support of likely dopers Farah and Radcliffe.
Good point.
Seb has no choice , when Kenya and the other African countries sends these 30 year olds as enters them as 19 years old and younger . What choice do you have with these unethical nations . Farah and Radcliffe are national heroes in the uk.
Look at these African "teens" . You be the judge .
https://media.aws.iaaf.org/media/LargeL/82590fcd-0e24-4704-87f4-73add7f1c984.png?v=-1476500105I support Seb wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Good point.
Seb has no choice , when Kenya and the other African countries sends these 30 year olds as enters them as 19 years old and younger . What choice do you have with these unethical nations . Farah and Radcliffe are national heroes in the uk.
Look at these African "teens" . You be the judge .
https://media.aws.iaaf.org/media/LargeL/82590fcd-0e24-4704-87f4-73add7f1c984.png?v=-1476500105
None of the African teens look as old and big as Ingebigtsen.
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El K has a point wrote:
And of course the changes in events are due to racism... The fact that distance races are a bunch of black guys from Africa makes the rich white audience (except LetsRun!) tune out and not care.
It's probably worth noting that black athletes dominate the sprints at least as completely as they dominate distance running. Perhaps there's a difference because countries like the U.S. have more people whose ancestry traces back to West Africa (like most sprinters) than East Africa (where the best distance runners currently come from). Still, it's hard to argue that eliminating the 5,000 is motivated simply by racism. If they limited the Diamond League to throwing events, then you'd have a point.
To me, the best argument is that the Diamond League is designed to create an ongoing set of matchups where the best athletes in each event face each over and over again in an attempt to win the series. But nobody wants to race 12 high-quality 5,000 races in a row. Of course, some of the Diamond League meets will still have 5,000 in them -- they just won't be part of the official Diamond League series that culminates in the awarding of a diamond.
Exactly! Glad some people can be rational and not make a knee jerk reaction that invariably accuses someone of being racist. There is nothing anti African, racist or anti distance running about cutting the 5000m from the Diamond League. If overwhelming research from fans suggests a lack of interest in watching 5000m on the track, lacking regular head to head rivalries, then the IAAF would be failing the sport if they chose to ignore it and to not at least experiment with changing the format of live T&F.
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El K has a point wrote:
And of course the changes in events are due to racism. Not necessarily direct "we don't like black people" racism. But since when is it ever that simple?
Oh my god can we stop with pulling the racist card CONSTANTLY. How soft is everyone becoming these days? "You don't agree with me? Then you are racist." It's the perfect way of expressing your disdain for someone/something without being intelligent enough to make an argument. "I know, I'll just say racism and then anyone who disagrees is racist. I'll call them rich and white too just to make sure everyone knows how racist the 5k is."
I can tell you with 100% certainty that 99%+ of the world's population, black white brown yellow, does not give a flying F*** about the 5k. Let that sink in for a minute. The world is 7.7 billion people and less than 1 percent (77 million) care. It's likely FAR LESS than 77 million, but for the sake of not trying to roast you too bad (because I want to see your soft reply), I'll say 1%. You can't say that about NFL. Do you think that Asia doesn't have an NFL of their own because they are racist against black people? No, it's because nobody in Asia gives a f*** about football.
El K has a point wrote:
the rich white audience
"the rich white audience" LOL what are you talking about? You know how Haile G grew up running? By listening to the olympics on his radio and getting inspired. (source: The Greatest by Jim Denison) People of all colors watch track and field, particularly distance events - the point to cut the 5k has nothing to do with the skin color of the audience, it has to do with the lack of audience. Just because 15,000 people go on letsrun everyday doesn't mean there is a huge demand globally to watch the 5k. This is another attempt at you being too lazy to create a real argument so you cry out something racist.
El K has a point wrote:
The fact that distance races are a bunch of black guys from Africa makes
Last Olympics non-black people:
1. swept the podium in the 1500 1st 2nd 3rd.
2. Went 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 9th, 10th, 11th in the marathon.
3. 5th in the 10k.
And that's just the olympics. You can look through endless meet results and find non-black runners all over the place. I'd say that black people might just be the minority in running! But don't take my word just yet, I am just making a guess. I haven't seen the numbers, just going off observations from hundreds of 5k runners I have seen over a few decades at both races I attended and races I have seen on TV/youtube both domestic and international.
And with that, I urge you to be a better human being. Don't cry racist because you want to express your disdain for someone/something but are not intelligent enough to come up with an argument to express those emotions. When used inappropriately, accusing racism is not only harmful to society as a whole, but it also makes you look like you have no idea what you are talking about.
+ 1000
If we want to have "professional" athletes across all track and field events then we need cut down the number of events. Prize money, sponsorships all that stuff is spread way too thin across the sport. The field events get hit real hard when the diamond league keeps changing the events every year. There has been so little thought put into how the diamond league schedule effects the athletes from one year to the next. While a sprinter or distance runner can likely switch from one year to the next between events like the 100/200 or 800/1500 or 1500/3000/5000, a jumper, thrower or even hurdler is unlikely to be world class in multiple events, they are mostly highly specialized in a single event at the elite level. Imagine if you only got paid for doing your job every other year or every 3 years? The IAAF either needs to give field event athletes competitive, lucrative opportunities to compete every year or stop pretending the field portion of track and field is anything but amateur still.
At least Coe is trying to do something to keep track and field relevant and seems to earnestly care about the future of the sport. We've watched for decades while Coe's predecessors Lamine Diack and Primo Nebiolo siphoned millions of dollars from the sport and turned a blind eye to doping while track and field has been slowly circling the toilet, is that what people would really rather go back too?
Anything over the steeple chase is just silly to race on a track. But they should do away with road racing too and make it all cross country. These “world records” on the road are just silly too. It would be more interesting to see these world class East Africans race a thon through the country side.
El Keniano wrote:
Trying to kill off track distance running simply because Westerners are uncompetitive, and the ‘wrong’ kind of people keep winning is going deprive true fans of the spectacle of this talented young man attacking Kenenisa Bekele’s records.
I would disagree, I genuinely believe it is a commercial decision; time available, attention span of audience etc. The sport needs revenue and TV rights are a big source of revenue. But TV companies will only pay for those rights if they feel they can get sufficient revenue from advertising, and the advertisers will only pay if there is a large audience. To get that audience you need to go beyond the hard core track fans.
My comments on the racial element: It is not about race per se but rather marketability. Black athletes have developed tremendous followings in main stream sports, baseball, basketball, boxing etc. The Ali - Frazier fights totally dominated the sports world and the Ali - Foreman fight in Zaire attracted over 1 billion viewers on live TV. And in track you have Usain Bolt. All these guys have an attitude and the TV audience likes competitors with rough edges, they want showmanship, they want grudge matches.
Unfortunately, the East Africans who dominate distance running are all nice, quiet, introverted guys. Heck, they even train together. When interviewed after an inevitable victory they thank their coach, their parents and the meet organizers and then heap praise on their rivals. It's all too civilized for the TV networks.
I’m a D2 female runner. Our coach explicitly told us not to visit LetsRun forums.
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
adizero Road to Records with Yomif Kejelcha, Agnes Ngetich, Hobbs Kessler & many more is Saturday
2024 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
