Your employer will be hearing from me and I’ll be contacting your family and friends for comments.
Your employer will be hearing from me and I’ll be contacting your family and friends for comments.
I think you are making my point for me: there should be a degree of proportionality between the crime and the punishment, and that requires the exercise of some degree of discretion.
I just come down at a different place than you and some of the others on where the line is.
Sure, his employers can exercise their discretion in making a determination regarding his continued employment. But being inundated by emails might make them think it might be easier to let him go than deal with hundreds of emails, even if they aren’t concerned about his technical competence. I mean, can’t we all just report every transgression to authorities and employers and leave it up to the authorities to determine whether or not to proceed?
But more than that, it’s just a philosophical point for discussion more than anything else.
A department within his employer was notified a couple of weeks ago that this was going on and that there could be a PR situation that may need to be handled.
Your problem is that you are making a sane argument to a bunch of insane people.
Philosophically, you seem more interested in punishing the skeptics.
I Am Sam wrote:
Bluto wrote:
Was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor?
The Germans????
This never gets old on LRC.
Well, actually, it does.
I agree with Smoove. Do what you will with the race results and seeing that journalists interested in the story have the facts. Otherwise, stay away from his personal and professional life. If any news coverage occurs, it is likely to make its way back to the employer anyway, let them do what they will then. But some of you are really overstepping here and making it too personal.
imagineer wrote:
This never gets old on LRC.
Well, actually, it does.
Yes like the decidedly unfunny "Paulo knows where to find me" thing that people seem to think themselves comedy geniuses
for quoting over and over.
just got back into town. haven't gone yet.
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
imagineer wrote:
This never gets old on LRC.
Well, actually, it does.
Yes like the decidedly unfunny "Paulo knows where to find me" thing that people seem to think themselves comedy geniuses
for quoting over and over.
It's "HOW[/b"] not where.
I Am Sam wrote:
Bluto wrote:
Was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor?
The Germans????
Forget it, he's rolling.
If contacting his employer doesn’t work, what is your next step?
Additional alumni like kegboy might help.
I doctor who has everything, cheats over a ten year period in multiple events. Learns from previous DQs..not that it’s wrong, but how to improve the process. Goes after a World Record, and would get away with it people didn’t have suspicions. Goes to great lengths to promote the record and himself, then when confronted says it’s just for fun, admits to stopping multiple times, but doesn’t explain or defend his record setting performance. No reliable record exists of him running a race in the last years that is not subject to serious questions about it’s verifiability.
.....and everything else he does except running is just fine.
It may well be that everything else is just fine, but when you cross the ethics line all your life is dragged over with you.
+1
This is a much better, or at least it sounds better than the first one... shared it with a couple non running coworkers and they got it! One was outraged enough to start googling Frank plus she posted the video on her facebook.
Very very nice work
Amazing all the people on here begging for mercy for this guy. How about we wait on the mercy discussions until after he has suffered any consequence at all for a decade of cheating?
Also, I am neither a sock puppet, nor am I begging for mercy for this guy.
I am a regular poster using a registered name whose real identity is known to many regulars on the training boards and can easily be determined from my posts.
I am asking the legitimate question of "how far is enough," and providing some food for thought on why perhaps focusing on the running side of the world is far enough in my opinion.
Smoove wrote:
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I 100% agree.
I have never cheated in a race, but I’ve been an a-hole in various ways over time. I’ve tended to find I’ve received proportionate karmic retribution over time.