Frank Meza 2:53:10 at LA Marathon (70 years old) unofficial time (just finished)

Smoove wrote:

Be advised wrote:

Establishing a new record by deceiving lazy race officials, is not victimless.

Highly-respected lauded icons are being defrauded - those who have achieved success through the hard miles deserve the laurels.

Laurels should not the languish on the head of a shady predatorial muppet who can barely run in a straight line.

I 100% agree.

The guy should be DQd.

The guy should be banned from future races.

The guy should have articles written about him if journalists are so inclined.

The guy shouldn’t be allowed to coach kids.

The guy’s name should pop up in Google searches and link to this thread and Derek’s article.

That addresses the stolen laurels. That punishment fits the crime (and then some, probably).

Contacting employers and state licensing boards feels qualitatively different.

Everyone jumped on the jaywalking idea. That was intentionally benign to highlight how far things can be taken. What about the intentional omission of some forms of income from your taxes - race money or NCAA tournament pool winnings? Does that not show dishonesty? Does that not have an indirect impact on others? Should those who have omitted that income suffer the consequences of being dishonest by having their employers contacted and having licensing authorities notified?

Repugnant behavior needs to be addressed. But I’m just trying to keep things in perspective. We all fall short of perfection. To quote the great William Munny, “We all got it coming.” I have never cheated in a race, but I’ve been an a-hole in various ways over time. I’ve tended to find I’ve received proportionate karmic retribution over time.

The truth will always win out. wrote:

LoLyola wrote:

has anyone reached back out to Loyola since his bio page there has been taken down, and articles scrubbed? Would be curious to see if they'd make a statement now. I actually wouldn't be surprised if he's fessed up to his inner circle already and doesn't feel the need to to anyone else

I did try to contact them for a blog article I'm thinking of putting out, but no reply, although it wasn't the Principal I tried to contact, I'm figuring he's done the right thing as he was the person the poster that outed Meza contacted, so don't want to hassle him again.

Somehow or other I don't think Meza is exactly flavour of the month there right now, and definitely not with Head Coach Diaz, who left the threatening voicemail for Amby Burfoot, or Bland, who's been implicated here too.

A while ago there was a poster called "kegboy" I think, said he was a LHS old boy and was going to be there in the coming days and was going to approach Diaz about Miza, that time has come and gone now and haven't heard anything from him, I'm guessing he was given short shrift in no uncertain terms lol.

Good luck to all the super sleuths and truth seekers.

triathleteguru wrote:

Smoove wrote:

I 100% agree.

The guy should be DQd.

The guy should be banned from future races.

The guy should have articles written about him if journalists are so inclined.

The guy shouldn’t be allowed to coach kids.

The guy’s name should pop up in Google searches and link to this thread and Derek’s article.

That addresses the stolen laurels. That punishment fits the crime (and then some, probably).

Contacting employers and state licensing boards feels qualitatively different.

Everyone jumped on the jaywalking idea. That was intentionally benign to highlight how far things can be taken. What about the intentional omission of some forms of income from your taxes - race money or NCAA tournament pool winnings? Does that not show dishonesty? Does that not have an indirect impact on others? Should those who have omitted that income suffer the consequences of being dishonest by having their employers contacted and having licensing authorities notified?

Repugnant behavior needs to be addressed. But I’m just trying to keep things in perspective. We all fall short of perfection. To quote the great William Munny, “We all got it coming.” I have never cheated in a race, but I’ve been an a-hole in various ways over time. I’ve tended to find I’ve received proportionate karmic retribution over time.

You make some fair points. and I'm glad to see you agree on those first 5 lines.

Question for you though, why are you in any way concerned if someone does reach out to his employer Kaiser Permanente, the California Medical Board, or the American Medical Association? Does someone filing a complaint trigger an automatic dismissal? Do you not think they have the ability to make up their own minds on this?

BTW, your other example of intentional omission of some forms of income is very similar to the jaywalking. Yes, technically all forms of income should be reported, but as a society it is accepted that some isn't. But when it reaches a certain level, the IRS/govt will become very interested.

don q wrote:

Smoove wrote:

I 100% agree.

The guy should be DQd.

The guy should be banned from future races.

The guy should have articles written about him if journalists are so inclined.

The guy shouldn’t be allowed to coach kids.

The guy’s name should pop up in Google searches and link to this thread and Derek’s article.

That addresses the stolen laurels. That punishment fits the crime (and then some, probably).

Contacting employers and state licensing boards feels qualitatively different.

Everyone jumped on the jaywalking idea. That was intentionally benign to highlight how far things can be taken. What about the intentional omission of some forms of income from your taxes - race money or NCAA tournament pool winnings? Does that not show dishonesty? Does that not have an indirect impact on others? Should those who have omitted that income suffer the consequences of being dishonest by having their employers contacted and having licensing authorities notified?

Repugnant behavior needs to be addressed. But I’m just trying to keep things in perspective. We all fall short of perfection. To quote the great William Munny, “We all got it coming.” I have never cheated in a race, but I’ve been an a-hole in various ways over time. I’ve tended to find I’ve received proportionate karmic retribution over time.

Your problem is that you are making a sane argument to a bunch of insane people.