I'm calling it now, on 3-18-2019: Zion Williamson will be a BUST in the NBA

huh? you think? wrote:

did you just ask if it would be fair not to call him a bust if he has a Kobe/Duncan/KD type career? 0_0

Then why all the hype, schmuck? Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I disagree with this level of hype, too.

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The Jeff wrote:

yes, this wrote:

Only casual fans are throwing out ridiculous comps like "LeBron" for Zion. 12-year-olds on Reddit or 42-year-old YMCA heroes are not who sets the bar for 'bust', thankfully.

33 year olds posting on a running message board from Mom's basement do, then? Lol

LeBron is tossed in as a proven generational talent in the NBA. Many thought in his first few seasons that he wouldn't mature into that. Kobe is another. Even KD is one, maybe that's a fairer bar for a #1 pick with this much hype around him? Tim Duncan?

As others have pointed out, don't be stupid. However, to try to be helpful, serious basketball/NBA fans know how to parse the hype. Hype from the general public and social media does not matter. Hype from important basketball people matters. Despite how impressive he has been this year at Duke, most of Zion's "hype" has come from twitter-ites who've watched him dunk for 3 years and think that matters for NBA success. That's not real hype. Real hype is when NBA scouting personnel are talking about how they think he'll project to the NBA as a player who appears to be able to genuinely impact every facet of the game and even when playing against elite D-1/NBA prospect talent (like UK or UNC), clearly stands out. Don't overthink this in an attempt to be different.

I'm pretty famous here for correctly predicting Johnny Flop as the #1 pick by the Cleveland Clownies would have a bust of a career.

Zion Williamson is no Johnny Flop. I predict he will be a very good NBA player. He reminds me of a Charles Barkley type (less the mouth running) who has the basketball skill to play any position despite his height and will be able to create many mismatches for other teams in the NBA.

If anybody has watched that joke of an NBA lately, it will be very easy for Zion to average 25 a night as they basically just let the offensive players push, shove, and armbar their way to the basket until they have an easy layup and often even reward the offensive player with a free throw to further pad the scoring.

The Jeff wrote:

He'll get picked by the Knicks where he will be stuck for years with poor management, coaching, rosters and will wistfully watch as teams in the same division, Philly and Boston, routinely make deep playoff runs. He's being projected to be a Charles Barkley type but will wind up more like Larry Johnson or Oliver Miller.

I'll throw another name at you, ACC too. JR Reid.

Too big and strong for college players. Ordinary in the NBA.

Williamson has more hops and hype, but things are different in NBA.

The Jeff wrote:

huh? you think? wrote:

did you just ask if it would be fair not to call him a bust if he has a Kobe/Duncan/KD type career? 0_0

Then why all the hype, schmuck? Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I disagree with this level of hype, too.

lol....do you mean why all the hype if he 'only' is going to have a KD/Kobe/Duncan career?

The hype is because he is arguably the best college prospect since Shaq, almost three decades ago. It's justified.

Predicting a top 10 all-time career from that prospect ranking is not justified. Most reasonable people can figure that out.

If he becomes top 10 in the current NBA, he will be a bust. Far from it.

For me, a bust would be not making an all-star team or all-nba team in his career. That would be a mild to moderate bust.

That's closer to my thinking.

On this forum, this thread exists:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9298186

I don't see ANY pushback there from the dissenters here.

huh? what? wrote:

The Jeff wrote:

Then why all the hype, schmuck? Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I disagree with this level of hype, too.

lol....do you mean why all the hype if he 'only' is going to have a KD/Kobe/Duncan career?

The hype is because he is arguably the best college prospect since Shaq, almost three decades ago. It's justified.

Predicting a top 10 all-time career from that prospect ranking is not justified. Most reasonable people can figure that out.

If he becomes top 10 in the current NBA, he will be a bust. Far from it.

For me, a bust would be not making an all-star team or all-nba team in his career. That would be a mild to moderate bust.

If he's dominant at this level then what if he's not consistently dominant at the next?

The Jeff wrote:

That's closer to my thinking.

On this forum, this thread exists:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9298186

I don't see ANY pushback there from the dissenters here.

That's because we can't respond to every garbage thread we see on this site. We have to pick and choose.

This whole thread is a hilarious self-own by theJeff. He hasn't cited anybody who was actually a bust in the NBA. Larry Johnson was the #1 pick in the draft. For the first five years of his career he averaged 20 points and 9.2 rebounds. After that he was injured and spent five more years with the Knicks. His career averages were 16 points and 7.5 rebounds. He made two all Star teams and was a rookie of the year. He is not a hall of famer and you could say that is a slightly disappointing career for a #1 pick because of injuries but he still had a worst the second best career of anybody in his draft class (Dikembe Mutombo is probably better). For sure the team that drafts Zion is hoping for more than this, especially in longevity, but if he produced on this level you could not call him a bust at all. Oliver Miller was the 22nd pick in his draft class. He averaged about 7.5 points and 6 rebounds per game in about 23 minutes/game. He was an OK rotation player. He was not a bust either. A career like this would be a disappointment for Zion Williamson but he is not going to be drafted #22 either.

The Jeff wrote:

He's being projected to be a Charles Barkley type but will wind up more like Larry Johnson or Oliver Miller.

The Jeff wrote:

That's closer to my thinking.

On this forum, this thread exists:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9298186

I don't see ANY pushback there from the dissenters here.

thats called a comedic post. Most people seem to be able to figure out.

the ONLY person saying he would be the best ever on that thread, ironically, was me, lol,

I'm flattered, I really am! Lol

BTW, I am The Jeff, not to be confused with theJeff. I counted on Letsrunners' reputation for overlooking nuance and a subset's distaste for theJeff's attitude to garner clicks and response. Thanks!

Y.H.B.T. H.A.N.D.

The Jeff wrote:

I'm flattered, I really am! Lol

BTW, I am The Jeff, not to be confused with theJeff. I counted on Letsrunners' reputation for overlooking nuance and a subset's distaste for theJeff's attitude to garner clicks and response. Thanks!

Y.H.B.T. H.A.N.D.

losers rally call.

The Jeff wrote:

I'm flattered, I really am! Lol

BTW, I am The Jeff, not to be confused with theJeff. I counted on Letsrunners' reputation for overlooking nuance and a subset's distaste for theJeff's attitude to garner clicks and response. Thanks!

Y.H.B.T. H.A.N.D.

Oh The Geoff is the MaSTerZ @ Trolling! LolZ

SkillZ!

amazing job you pulled, going to go down in the LRC hall of fame

weak opening premise, called out, weak backing arguments......then MASTERSTROKE level genius......pulls the always hilarious, now classic, "Lulz......I was TR@LLING Uz!"

epic level comedic skills on display here, we are witnessing a true genius of the form

based on what? wrote:

Zion is going to average 20-10 with good defense.....that's not a bust. A few months ago people didn't even think he was the best prospect on his own team.

He still may not be the best pro to play in the NBA from his college team. Barrett may ultimately have the better NBA career. They are both fantastic.

Al Lewis wrote:

based on what? wrote:

Zion is going to average 20-10 with good defense.....that's not a bust. A few months ago people didn't even think he was the best prospect on his own team.

He still may not be the best pro to play in the NBA from his college team. Barrett may ultimately have the better NBA career. They are both fantastic.

I just don't see stardom for Barret. He's not a good shooter, not a great decision maker, mostly succeeding as a volume scorer. Heck, Zion has the same 3p% and FT% as Barret.

I think RJ will be a slightly above average NBA starter, no all-star games. About equal to an Otto Porter Jr.

Thanks for playing kids! That's time none of us will get back.

The Jeff wrote:

Thanks for playing kids! That's time none of us will get back.

the grown-ups here are having a conversation, you're like 12-year-old fluttering around on the edges trying to poke his head in for attention.

Shoo

huh? what? wrote:

The Jeff wrote:

That's closer to my thinking.

On this forum, this thread exists:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9298186

I don't see ANY pushback there from the dissenters here.

thats called a comedic post. Most people seem to be able to figure out.

Maybe one day you will, too!