Head of Mob Whacked in NYC

That house has gone up by ONE MILLION (from 1.8 to 2.8) in 5 years. Is that typical of Staten Island property?

Bad Wigins wrote:

Considering how many murders there are in general in New York and most other big cities, the government should take advantage and create a "he was a known mob boss" defense that can lead to acquittal or reduced charges or sentences. Then people into murdering will have an incentive to kill the mob bosses instead of less deserving victims.

You do realize that if this was a standing policy, people would just murder those they don't like, claiming they were involved with the mob. That girl who stole your girl, that guy who makes fun of you, the kid who always beats you at madden? All mobsters. Justice should be blind, dispassionate, and certainly not in the hands of the public at large.

Lmao. Trust fund mobster babies keeping the seat warm until Mexican drug lords take over.

track chick wrote:

That house has gone up by ONE MILLION (from 1.8 to 2.8) in 5 years. Is that typical of Staten Island property?

That's a million dollars worth of topiary and Guido Pis statues.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Considering how many murders there are in general in New York and most other big cities, the government should take advantage and create a "he was a known mob boss" defense that can lead to acquittal or reduced charges or sentences. Then people into murdering will have an incentive to kill the mob bosses instead of less deserving victims.

This would be a bad idea. I think Chicago got rid of their top crime bosses 10-20 years ago. Chicago has been at war since with all the lower level players fighting to get to the top.

The number of murders in NYC last year was at a 70 year low in raw terms and perhaps an all time low in terms of rate. London's murder rate, while lower, is still at it's highest level in years. So NYC is getting safer and London is getting more dangerous, just in terms of murder. The raw numbers belie the point that your chance of being murdered in NYC is still extremely low, at a rate of 3.2 per 100,000 and even lower if you consider that most of the victims were killed by people you know and most people on this board probably aren't involved with people who might kill them. Beyond murder, London is a considerably more violent city than NYC.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Considering how many murders there are in general in New York and most other big cities, the government should take advantage and create a "he was a known mob boss" defense that can lead to acquittal or reduced charges or sentences. Then people into murdering will have an incentive to kill the mob bosses instead of less deserving victims.

In New Jersey the mob is still heavily involved with the garbage and recycling businesses. There are also major contractors (ie. Joseph Sanzari) who have had ties to the mob. I imagine loan sharking and sports gambling are one the decline, especially with legalized sports gambling in the state. But the mob is still around in some form, and like others said many in it have shares in legitimate businesses.

[quote]Bad is a Moran wrote:

The number of murders in NYC last year was at a 70 year low in raw terms and perhaps an all time low in terms of rate. London's murder rate, while lower, is still at it's highest level in years. So NYC is getting safer and London is getting more dangerous, just in terms of murder.

The raw numbers belie the point that your chance of being murdered in NYC is still extremely low, at a rate of 3.2 per 100,000 and even lower if you consider that most of the victims were killed by people you know and most people on this board probably aren't involved with people who might kill them.

Beyond murder, London is a considerably more violent city than NYC.

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I blame guns. If not guns there would be no violence.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Considering how many murders there are in general in New York and most other big cities

Do you have even the remotest clue about anything?

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Good neighbor sammy wrote:

TCG wrote:

Yes, very strange. He was very well respected by an overwhelming majority of the families. However, "play stupid games and you'll win stupid prizes."

I grew up living across the street from a mobster who was fairly well known. Everybody loved the guy. He treated his neighbors...especially the kids....great.

How did he treat the businessmen he was threatening and extorting? He did he treat the people who were behind on their loans?

Who cares. When you play the game, you know the rules

Wolf's Bane wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Considering how many murders there are in general in New York and most other big cities, the government should take advantage and create a "he was a known mob boss" defense that can lead to acquittal or reduced charges or sentences. Then people into murdering will have an incentive to kill the mob bosses instead of less deserving victims.

You do realize that if this was a standing policy, people would just murder those they don't like, claiming they were involved with the mob. That girl who stole your girl, that guy who makes fun of you, the kid who always beats you at madden? All mobsters.

And the jury would laugh at you and convict you as the prosecution easily proves those people weren't mob bosses. If, on the other hand, you kill someone who is a KNOWN mobster, the prosecutor will not be able to convince a jury they weren't.

What all you idiots fail to see is the benefit of reversing burden of proof. The law can't get to capos because it's too hard to overcome reasonable doubt in the courtroom when the capos buy juries and scare key witnesses. But you don't need to overcome reasonable doubt to acquit someone for killing a capo, even if it's an affirmative defense.

The head of a major crime family can reasonably be considered to have committed murders and be highly likely to commit more in the future. Just when is unknown so this may be considered imminent. The law is unable to prevent it, so it is unavoidable unless deadly force is used against the capo. Killing them is inherently justifiable as self defense. One of the few cases where the law should be friendly to vigilante action. Why should the mob be tolerated?

A lot of cops and mobsters call Staten Island home.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Considering how many murders there are in general in New York and most other big cities, the government should take advantage and create a "he was a known mob boss" defense that can lead to acquittal or reduced charges or sentences. Then people into murdering will have an incentive to kill the mob bosses instead of less deserving victims.

Uh, no. The people into murdering are very likely in the same business as the mob boss. It's business, not personal.

I always liked him.

Its egun wrote:

Weldon,

This is not the story you want to pursue or highlight or discuss.

Deleting the thread is a really solid idea.

I think Weldon is in danger. If you read this, immediately pack your belongings and flee the country!

wejo wrote:

Having just moved to NY this story is outside of my wheelhouse.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/03/14/franky-boy-cali-shot-on-staten-island/

1) How can everyone know who the head of the mob is and he goes about operating in plain sight? Figured today's law enforcement could trace the guys cash enough that the head of the mob could not be well known and go about his business. Or wiretap all his phones.

2) Anyone got a good read on how the mob makes it's cash today? Drug dealing and illegal gambling I get. What else?

3) Have the mobsters always been in Staten Island?

1) They have legitimate businesses through which they launder the money. Mob bosses generally avoid giving obvious orders, and certainly avoid it over the phone.

2) Gambino family makes most of its money on the heroin and opioid trade.

3) They are in all the boroughs, but yes a number live in Staten Island. As pointed out, the last NY mafia boss to get killed, Paul Castellano, was from SI, although that murder happened outside Sparks Steakhouse in Manhattan. Gotti, the guy who ordered the hit and took over as boss, was from Queens.

Note that the mafia in NYC is very week relative to historical levels. Giuliani as US Attorney really went after them, and the others that followed him in office continued the job.

[quote]wejo wrote:

1) How can everyone know who the head of the mob is and he goes about operating in plain sight? Figured today's law enforcement could trace the guys cash enough that the head of the mob could not be well known and go about his business. Or wiretap all his phones.

wejo is probably overestimating the abilities of law enforcement. For instance, at least one director of homeland security had the stellar resume of being employed in the mail-order division of a department store and the prep school / frat sidekick of the moron who appointed him to protect us all.