4 month old Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 Max plane crashes on takeoff to Nairobi - All 157 on board are killed

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

hhhjk wrote:

Ethiopian Airlines is a Star Alliance member. It's not a fly-by-night operation or a small commercial airline. And I actually feel safer on the top-tier international airlines than on the domestic regionals.

Domestic regionals were really bad about 20 years ago but they've come a long way in safety since the early 2000's.

My biggest fear domestically is travel by small airplanes like Cessnas and pipers. Never had to fly in one. If I took a job with big $$$ that required it, I'd have to turn it down.

You cannot pay me enough money to put my life on the line in a small plane.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/florida/5-dead-when-small-plane-crashes-in-lake-okeechobee

I’ll second that:

First impact wrote:

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1104891807580614656

Is it possible to know what type of aircraft you're flying on, down to the specific details of it being a Boeing 737-Max? Is that info displayed on your flight ticket? I'd have to seriously reconsider my departure but who knows how ubiquitous this aircraft is now. It may be the same one in used by all the airliners at your particular airport. Guess there's always Greyhound if you're travelling domestically lol.

Yes, Flightradar data for flight numbers already lists the plane type (Aircraft information).

Unless there's a sudden plane change necessitated by eg weather, this is quite constant from day-to-day.

Currently in the sky:

https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1104747682848038912

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ETH302

Kooks like "Alex Macheras" don't understand basic statistics. Yes, it's so-called "unprecedented" to have 2 crashes in 5 months, but that's with a different population pool. There's always going to be extreme events. Sometimes life is a lottery, and the chances go the other way.

two in a decade wrote:

The last major accident involving an Ethiopian Airlines plane happened in January 2010, when a flight from Beirut

As of March 2019, the Aviation Safety Network records 64 accidents/incidents for Ethiopian Airlines that total 459 fatalities since 1965, plus six accidents for Ethiopian Air Lines, the airline’s former name.

15 September 1988 Ethiopia Bahir Dar Boeing 737-200 35/104(fatalities)

Both engines ingested pigeons during take-off. The aircraft made a belly landing at the departing airport, and caught fire.

Time for a contribution from someone who knows what they're doing...the story of LR, lol.... "No" is the wrong answer.

Anyway, avoiding the 737 MAX series is a little tricky because it's a new type and permits existing type rated crew operations of 737 NGs in parallel, meaning, most airlines have a mixed fleet and as the proportions of MAX to NG in their specific fleet increases, the MAX equipment will be increasingly substituted systemwide for the NGs.

Examples of operators of mixed NG/MAX 737 fleets include UA, AA, CM, ET and many others.

Airline ops are very complex and it can be hard to isolate or predict exactly which routes will be operated by these beasts even when the airline has performed careful schedule analysis during introduction.

Some airlines and tracking sites publish the type of equipment using a pseudo-code e.g. 7M8 or 7X8 or 38M for MAX 8.

In all systems, you can rely on the designator 738/739 representing the NG versions of the 737 i.e. non-MAX 737-800 and 737-900. 73G = 737-700 (not "737," to avoid obvious confusion with generic 737 model).

Also you can view previous equipment used on a specific flight via Flightaware.com. Try ET302... You can see...

Aircraft information

Aircraft Type

Boeing 737 MAX 9 (twin-jet) (B39M)

Photos

Registration

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Although also, 788 (B787-8), 763 (B767-300) and 738 (737-800 NG) have operated this route over the past two weeks.

Breakdown by frequency:

38M (10)

763 (3)

788 (1)

738 (1)

So if you want to avoid flying the 737MAX series from ADD on ET, I'd say, avoid the NBO route...

If you want to avoid in a more pathological way, then don't book with airlines that have placed the MAX in service. Orders and deliveries graph is here for Oct 18, for more up to date info, check the Boeing 10K filing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_and_deliveries

Well, those that are currently in the air right now are pretty much safe. Seems that they only have an issue with the takeoff and initial climb. Breathe a sigh of relief if you get up to cruise altitude.

Former Football Kenya Federation (FKF) secretary general Hussein Swaleh was among those killed after being abroad the Ethiopian Airlines plane that crashed this morning on its way from Addis Ababa to Nairobi.

Swaleh was returning from Confederation of African Football (CAF) Champions League match in Cairo on Friday (March 8) where Egyptian side Ismailia had played the Democratic Republic of Congo's TP Mazembe.

Swaleh was the match commissioner.

Stat-Boy wrote:

Your odds are more likely to be randomly killed in Nairobi (Kenya), than in crashing while getting there in the first place.

I see it didn’t take long to work a Kenya-hating post into a thread about an Ethiopian Airlines plane crashing in Ethiopia. And wrong. You are much more likely to get shot, killed/murdered, mugged or wrongfully arrested (especially if black) in many big, gleaming American cities than in Nairobi. Nice try with the fake stats, though.

................>>+= wrote:

Former Football Kenya Federation (FKF) secretary general Hussein Swaleh was among those killed after being abroad the Ethiopian Airlines plane that crashed this morning on its way from Addis Ababa to Nairobi.

Swaleh was returning from Confederation of African Football (CAF) Champions League match in Cairo on Friday (March 8) where Egyptian side Ismailia had played the Democratic Republic of Congo's TP Mazembe.

Swaleh was the match commissioner.

18 Canadians, 8 Americans and at least 8 Brits were killed. Many of them were UN workers attending a Climate Conference in Nairobi.

El Keniano wrote:

Stat-Boy wrote:

Your odds are more likely to be randomly killed in Nairobi (Kenya), than in crashing while getting there in the first place.

I see it didn’t take long to work a Kenya-hating post into a thread about an Ethiopian Airlines plane crashing in Ethiopia. And wrong. You are much more likely to get shot, killed/murdered, mugged or wrongfully arrested (especially if black) in many big, gleaming American cities than in Nairobi. Nice try with the fake stats, though.

"Official Crime Stats" in Kenya are largely useless of course (except for number of police officers killed, maybe).

But they claim about 2500-3000 homicides from 50 million people every year. This is comparable to 4.5 per 100000 in USA.

Stat-Boy wrote:

Your odds are more likely to be randomly killed in Nairobi (Kenya), than in crashing while getting there in the first place.

"Official Crime Stats" in Kenya are largely useless of course (except for number of police officers killed, maybe).

But they claim about 2500-3000 homicides from 50 million people every year. This is comparable to 4.5 per 100000 in USA.

So the statistic is correct! Your chance of being randomly killed by a plane crash flying to Nairobi (Kenya) is quite low: 7 million passengers per year, last major wrecks in 1974 & 1990, total of maybe 100 million passengers, thus about 1 in 500000 chance (per trip). You'd have to make 25 trips to Nairobi per year to reach the "background" homicide rate in Kenya.

Kenyan-born Georgetown Law Student Among the Dead:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Georgetown-Law-Student-Among-157-Killed-in-Ethiopian-Airlines-Crash-506958001.html

Zane Robertson:

"Same flight I always take to Kenya. Same departure time, could of easily been me."

https://twitter.com/runninelvis/status/1104675270215102465

At least two passengers believe they have been given a second chance at life after missing the fatal Ethiopian Airlines flight that killed everyone onboard after the Boeing 737 MAX 8 crashed shortly after takeoff.

Just two minutes can make a difference to someone’s fate, Antonis Mavropoulos discovered this weekend after arriving late at the gate, preventing him from boarding the doomed flight. “I could see people boarding. I was very angry they didn’t let me in,” he told Greece’s ALPHA TV.

https://www.facebook.com/antonis.mavropoulos/posts/10218365946995594

https://twitter.com/abdulazizhaji09/status/1104789485575901185

We all know that Bekele is in the hotel business and is a tycoon like Trump in Ethiopia(as well as the greatest runner). He should also control the flying business so the planes are as good as he is. Maybe he will do that someday when he expands his business interests to other fields.