Tinman seems like the go-to guy to revitalize burnt out runners. Hear me out guys, Cain, Maton, Fernandez, Slagowski, Lane, and Rocha ALL to Tinman.
Tinman seems like the go-to guy to revitalize burnt out runners. Hear me out guys, Cain, Maton, Fernandez, Slagowski, Lane, and Rocha ALL to Tinman.
I'm confused by this post, in that he has now left BTC, the Vigil comment, and most of all the quality>quantity. Can you explain?
great hopes wrote:
Dhbfhndfh wrote:
He should be coached by Tinman.
Excellent idea! Get Fernandez to Tinman.
Let's get the LRC nation behind this movement--can you imagine the message board mania if these two (two of the most popular board topics) created a big success together?!!?!
C'mon Tom and German, get together and make one last push for glory!
YOLO!
Get Walmsley in there and this website would break the internet.
Haven't had any good Walmsley threads lately BTW. Shame shame.
RustBoi wrote:
Tinman seems like the go-to guy to revitalize burnt out runners. Hear me out guys, Cain, Maton, Fernandez, Slagowski, Lane, and Rocha ALL to Tinman.
You forgot about LV, Webb, and perhaps Rupp depending how this year goes.
He is a volunteer assistant coach at Ok State, his alma mater. I also saw him working at the KFC on 2nd Street in Stillwater. He was the manager, but still.
he turned 28 a few years back, but mental burnout is rough. once you leave, it can be hard to come back to a sport where he will struggle to make finals again, all while MAYBE making 40k/year
I've always thought German set himself up for failure when he went with BTC. He should have went with Salazar - a coach that would tailor a program for him and his injury history.
Jerry seemingly trains everyone the same way and runs almost all of his athletes, even his studs, into early retirement.
Jerry also has 50% of his guys never really improve.
alkmdlk wrote:
I've always thought German set himself up for failure when he went with BTC. He should have went with Salazar - a coach that would tailor a program for him and his injury history.
Jerry seemingly trains everyone the same way and runs almost all of his athletes, even his studs, into early retirement.
Jerry also has 50% of his guys never really improve.
German never did gain the confidence he had as a high schooler and his first year year of college.
It became apparent to him there lots of guys as good as he was even on his team, unlike high school where he the king.
Injuries and mental defeat took its toll until he was just a shell running hoping for miracle.
He is not the first super elite high schooler to follow this path and he won't be the last.
alkmdlk wrote:
I've always thought German set himself up for failure when he went with BTC. He should have went with Salazar - a coach that would tailor a program for him and his injury history.
Jerry seemingly trains everyone the same way and runs almost all of his athletes, even his studs, into early retirement.
Jerry also has 50% of his guys never really improve.
QFE.
I remember reading an interview with German where he said that he kept getting hurt when he tried to bump his mileage above 90 per week. Jerry is a high mileage and high volume program. German spent way too long with BTC and it cost him his running career. Especially given his injury history can you imagine if he went to NOP instead? He’d have done less volume and likely more miles on the underwater treadmill.
I don’t necessarily think NOP would have been the right move but BTC definitely was not.
Well he's only 28 right now but his last race appears to have been June 2017. I guess that means he's done.
alkmdlk wrote:
I've always thought German set himself up for failure when he went with BTC. He should have [gone] with Salazar - a coach that would tailor a program for him and his injury history.
Smith was disaster, the same for Shoemaker.
Now he's at the logical destination of their training. Sad to see.
ego too big, same fats as LV, distance greatness takes a long time to develop, being humbled by this reality would have been very beneficial to these guys.
codaayyee wrote:
he turned 28 a few years back, but mental burnout is rough. once you leave, it can be hard to come back to a sport where he will struggle to make finals again, all while MAYBE making 40k/year
He turned 28 this year.
Bonehead wrote:
ego too big, same fats as LV, distance greatness takes a long time to develop, being humbled by this reality would have been very beneficial to these guys.
If you are referring to Lukas Verzbicas with "LV" his running career was ended by a catastrophic bike accident that partially paralyzed him and a multi-year rehab that never got him back to 100% health.
DNF
I've heard that he's hiding in Honduras.
And she was with the Russians too.
great hopes wrote:
Er... wrote:
With Fernandez, I'm not sure anyone has been able to pinpoint exactly what the challenges are to keeping him healthy and fit. The anemia, for instance, wasn't because of the intensity of his training yet it seemed to have maybe longer-term consequences. I though he previously had been training on medium-mileage and medium-high intensity.
That's the million dollar question: what exactly was the problem?
That kid could run 4:00/ 8:30 a few hours apart as a 17 yo off of minimal mileage?
3:55 and 13:25 the next year??
Man, let a guy with those genetics jog 75 miles a week and do one tempo run and strides a few times a week and he'd probably do great.
Really a shame to not figure it out.
Problem is that turns him into say a 3:53/13:15 runners. Great times but not enough to be competitive. So you do the extra work to be a 3:50/13:00 guy and take on a much higher risk of getting injured. It is a fine line to walk. Some runners when they cross the line get sick or a minor twinge and they cut back for a week and recover. Others when they cross the line pick up something that lingers for 2+ months. The list of people that walk the line for a year or two and run great and who then spend a years trying to get back is pretty darn long.
Any news on German???
IT'S NOT TOO LATE GERMAN!!!!!!!!!!
alkmdlk wrote:
I've always thought German set himself up for failure when he went with BTC. He should have [gone] with Salazar - a coach that would tailor a program for him and his injury history.
Vegetarian chicken wrote:
Smith was disaster, the same for Shoemaker.
Now he's at the logical destination of their training. Sad to see.
Yes, and many people said so at the time.
Despite all of that, German is back in Stillwater again. He needs to find a good running stream.