Crazy fact: last year the top Kenyan time was slower than the top American time

ex-runner wrote:

Coevett wrote:

This forum is an utter hotbed of throwing doping accusations about. Actually I'm one of 2 or 3 here who provides links and arguments.

I believe the last time I dealt with you on this site you tried to claim that planting potatoes was evidence of doping so...

Well I said that missing the Dream Mile when you are the best Miler in the world and you have 20 followers on Twitter in order to plant potatoes, when you need to raise your profile, and do it as a trustworthy clean athlete when your illustrious predecessor and friend just got popped, was both stupid and suspicious. And worthy of making jokes about. Still a moron aren't you?

BTW, you've claimed that 'everybody cheats, it's human nature'. You're basically slandering every single elite athlete in the world, not to mention the entire human race.

feeding frederik wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Accusing Seb Coe of doping because the GDR was doping or because he cheated on his partner is slander.

But accusing El G of doping because Kaouch paced him in a 1500m is not slander? You're blind to your frequent hypocrisy.

I said that a convicted doper who was a training partner of El G, pacing him to gold in a major final, is another piece of circumstantial evidence that El G doped, which btw, I don't think El G has ever actually denied. He's certainly never sued anybody for stating the quite reasonable and commonly held suspicion that he was using EPO in the EPO free for all era, and if he did sue me, he'd have to sue a lot of people, including the Brojos for publishing such suspicions.

Clean your backyard first! wrote:

Clean your backyard first Coevette! Many want to discuss Coe being sick in 1983 and missing W.C. Others may want to discuss Coe and 1987 W.C. Maybe this is unfair to you since you just started running last year: Coe went from 56.xx 400m to 46.xx 400m from ages 14 to 22. I've seen that occur. When it does, one goes from a tiny fella to a larger grown man. Go did both as a tiny fella. I have always said Pete Coe did something to S. Coe and not blood doping to improve his 400m PB. You find that out, admit P. Coe & S.Coe cheated and then get back to us.

What kind of argument is that? Because Coe improved his 400m time by ten seconds between 14 and 22? Coe didn't do any physical maturing between 14 and 22? Get real.

Mind, it is at least something of an 'argument'. Better than most of the 'Coe doped' accusations that have been posted here a thousand times. The other day somebody appeared to 'prove' Coe doped because 'he was Indian'!

Coevett wrote:

I don't know whether you really are a top Kenyan American runner

Learn how to read. I never said I am Kenyan-American.

I am a Kenyan in the US.

Huge difference.

And "perhaps" you have been unfair at times?

"Potato Tim"?

"You bett"?

All the stupi comments about the Manangois?

About Keino?

El Guerrouj?

Any Kenyan faster than Nick Williams?

You are "unfair" all the time.

You attack Kenyans whenever you can.

Coevett wrote:

Well I said that missing the Dream Mile when you are the best Miler in the world and you have 20 followers on Twitter in order to plant potatoes, when you need to raise your profile, and do it as a trustworthy clean athlete when your illustrious predecessor and friend just got popped, was both stupid and suspicious.

What a stupid person you are.

Every racist is stupid but they don't realize it.

How many followers on twitter did Coe have?

Idiot.

Blacko can't be Paul Chelimo - Chelimo has learn't to have better self-control online :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MArQTZe6kCs

Also, that was a funny joke from Chelimo ('they should build a wall in Kenya, but Kenyans are good at steeplechase and would jump over it'), and Blacko doesn't appear to have any sense of humor at all.

Coevett wrote:

feeding frederik wrote:

But accusing El G of doping because Kaouch paced him in a 1500m is not slander? You're blind to your frequent hypocrisy.

I said that a convicted doper who was a training partner of El G, pacing him to gold in a major final, is another piece of circumstantial evidence that El G doped, which btw, I don't think El G has ever actually denied. He's certainly never sued anybody for stating the quite reasonable and commonly held suspicion that he was using EPO in the EPO free for all era, and if he did sue me, he'd have to sue a lot of people, including the Brojos for publishing such suspicions.

Cheating on your wife is circumstantial evidence of doping.

Being paced by a teammate in a global athletics final is circumstantial evidence of doping.

Missing a race to farm is circumstantial evidence of doping.

You don't see the similarity in these statements and that you are guilty of exactly what you are lambasting others for?

Blacko wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Well I said that missing the Dream Mile when you are the best Miler in the world and you have 20 followers on Twitter in order to plant potatoes, when you need to raise your profile, and do it as a trustworthy clean athlete when your illustrious predecessor and friend just got popped, was both stupid and suspicious.

What a stupid person you are.

Every racist is stupid but they don't realize it.

How many followers on twitter did Coe have?

Idiot.

What??

I wasn't mocking Tim for having so few followers, I was pointing out that it was shocking such a great athlete had such a low profile. Bigger profile - better for athletics (and middle-distance especially) and better for Tim's bank balance.

And what has Coe's number of Twitter's followers in the 1980s got to do with anything. Oh, you mean there is no internet in Kenya? Well that proves you're no more Kenyan than El K is.

*BTW, Seb Coe has 122k follows on Twitter. Even El G only has 9,000.

No I honestly don't. Are you really stupid? The first and last statement refers to conduct in athletics, not 'cheating' in a sexual relationship. If Coe had been paced by a teammate in a major final who later was found doping, I'd categorically state that Coe was dirty as hell. I couldn't give a rat's a$$ whether El G is faithful to his wife or partner. It has nothing to do with anything.

Coevett wrote:

feeding frederik wrote:

Cheating on your wife is circumstantial evidence of doping.

Being paced by a teammate in a global athletics final is circumstantial evidence of doping.

Missing a race to farm is circumstantial evidence of doping.

You don't see the similarity in these statements and that you are guilty of exactly what you are lambasting others for?

No I honestly don't. Are you really stupid? The first and last statement refers to conduct in athletics, not 'cheating' in a sexual relationship. If Coe had been paced by a teammate in a major final who later was found doping, I'd categorically state that Coe was dirty as hell. I couldn't give a rat's a$$ whether El G is faithful to his wife or partner. It has nothing to do with anything.

You've proven on this messageboard time and again that you are really stupid, so be careful casting that accusation around.

Your issue with the pacing was that it was, in your eyes, immoral. Infidelity is immoral. That one is in a race and another in a bedroom doesn't change the foundation of your issue with the pacing. Hope that helps.

Coevett wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

I believe the last time I dealt with you on this site you tried to claim that planting potatoes was evidence of doping so...

Well I said that missing the Dream Mile when you are the best Miler in the world and you have 20 followers on Twitter in order to plant potatoes, when you need to raise your profile, and do it as a trustworthy clean athlete when your illustrious predecessor and friend just got popped, was both stupid and suspicious. And worthy of making jokes about. Still a moron aren't you?

BTW, you've claimed that 'everybody cheats, it's human nature'. You're basically slandering every single elite athlete in the world, not to mention the entire human race.

Only one with a weak argument resorts to insults so quickly.

Twitter and potatoes are totally irrelevant to doping. You cannot accuse others of slander when you do it all the time.

Potato planting has to be the most ridiculous doping accusation I've ever seen on this board. It made you look like a complete fool.

Timothy ran 3:28 later that season in Monaco. Admit you were wrong and move on.

Coevett wrote:

I wasn't mocking Tim for having so few followers

Yes you were and you did many times.

Move on.

Leave LRC and go and post on antikenyan.com or whatever you racist people post on.

Chelimo #1 & True #12. Pretty solid.

Coevett wrote:

feeding frederik wrote:

But accusing El G of doping because Kaouch paced him in a 1500m is not slander? You're blind to your frequent hypocrisy.

I said that a convicted doper who was a training partner of El G, pacing him to gold in a major final, is another piece of circumstantial evidence that El G doped, which btw, I don't think El G has ever actually denied. He's certainly never sued anybody for stating the quite reasonable and commonly held suspicion that he was using EPO in the EPO free for all era, and if he did sue me, he'd have to sue a lot of people, including the Brojos for publishing such suspicions.

Idiot. You have not PROVED anything by your "circumstantial" evidence. ELG has not sued because he doesn't give a rats a.. about these kind of OPINIONS, he's got better things to do. His legacy is cemented, live with it.

Why hasn't Anthony Whiteman sued you for libel yet?

A British ex 800 m runner who explicitly claimed that Whiteman, another British runner, was a ped user, on absolutely no grounds any other than he's much faster than you (and that 'everybody cheats'), and he hasn't sued you yet? Maybe he isn't aware of your accusation. It would be a simple matter for him to get your British IP off of the Brojos. It's not like El G has had probably at least 100 people here expressing their opinions that he probably doped, and that any defamation case would require him to appear in court explaining exactly what he knew about his training partners/pacemakers failing doping tests, why nobody has come near his record since EPO tests were tightened (and the only guy who did failed a doping test last year), why he needed braces in Sydney at age 30, which is a classic sign of HGH abuse (and why his Moroccan team actually needed a dentist to accompany them) etc etc? Similar with Aouita. If Aouita wants to have his day in court and explain exactly what his links to 'Doctor Syringe' were, why several different Australian athletes accused him of pressurizing them to take drugs, and in particular HGH, exactly how he achieved his rapid transformation upon moving to Italy etc etc, then bring it. He ran from the investigation in Australia, I doubt very much if he'd want the global media taking a fresh look at his doping scandals.

Likewise, if you think anything I've said about Tim could be considered defamation, you're just revealing yourself to be a low IQ moron again. It's right and proper that everyone should be suspicious of Kenyan running at this moment. That's sad for guys like Tim if they're clean, but the guy he just replaced as the best Miler in the world had just been popped for EPO, and Tim takes a break mid-season to 'plant potatoes'. GFY if you think to question that on a running forum where doping accusations are thrown about thick and fast is defamation (and remember El K created that thread with the absurdly innocent title 'Tim skips the Dream Mile to plant potatoes'.). If one of the neutral Russian athletes suddenly starts running incredible times, then missed a big race mid-season to 'distill some vodka' would it be defamation to express your opinion here that it was somewhat suspicious? No, you utter imbecile.

On the other hand, there is not a shred of evidence to suggest Anthony Whiteman has ever doped. He had to compete in an era of dopers, and likely missed out on finals and even medals because of dopers. Yet he's stuck in and given back to the sport by continuing to dedicate himself into his forties and run at an exceptional level. And a piece of $hit like you who could only reach one UK championships through doping after running your whole life, your miserable career such a failure that you've retired before your 30 and now spend your dole time on here bullying others who raise issues over the African doping epedemic and throwing about totally unfounded accusations against other British runners with far more talent and willingness to work hard than you.

What a piece of $hit you are mate.

There's probably quite a few people here who personally know Anthony Whiteman. Maybe they should let him know there's a tw t here who accused him of being a ped user.

doctorj wrote:[/b

Idiot. You have not PROVED anything by your "circumstantial" evidence. ELG has not sued because he doesn't give a rats a.. about these kind of OPINIONS, he's got better things to do. His legacy is cemented, live with it.

Lol, you're funny. Have you randomly maimed anybody in the street as you previously boasted of fantasizing about? Do your patients not give a rats a... about that or do they simply not know when they place their health in your hands?

El G was likely as rocket fuelled as his training partners. I wonder how many elite runners you are a 'doctor' to?

He won’t see his own hypocrisy no matter how clearly it is placed before him. He’s one of those “do as I say, not as I do” kind of people.

Coevett wrote:

he needed braces in Sydney at age 30, which is a classic sign of HGH abuse

Hey shitface, my wife needed braces at age 33. Done with it 2 years later.

HGH abuse?

You racist piece of human waste.