If Drew Brees wins the Super Bowl this year, is he the greatest NFL QB ever?

Romo is not even the best cowboy QB of all-time. That would be Staubach.

Good point. We must also dismiss Manning due to the fact that he is a space alien. And Brees uses his Lizard King abilities to control the opposing teams minds almost EVERY play. I sure am salty that my favorite QB, Ryan Tannehill does not do any cheating, mind control, or alien powers. So salty indeed...

Manning, by a mile. football is a team sport so going by superbowl wins is a pretty shitty way to determine. Brady is a system quarterback, they plugged in Matt Cassell and won 10 games. Manning was the system. got hamstrung by bad defenses for most of his colts career while Brady won superbowls with supremely underrated defenses each time he won the superbowl. Brady is also one of the worst quarterbacks under pressure in the history of football. Put him behind some of the lines that other quaterbacks have had to deal with and there would be alot more sad Brady memes.

1. Manning

2. Rodgers

3. Brees

4. Marino

then maybe Brady

Tuck rule should have been a fumble

cheated against the Rams

Choked on their undefeated season

Brady- Belichick= Chad Pennington

RuppBuster wrote:

Manning, by a mile. football is a team sport so going by superbowl wins is a pretty shitty way to determine. Brady is a system quarterback, they plugged in Matt Cassell and won 10 games. Manning was the system. got hamstrung by bad defenses for most of his colts career while Brady won superbowls with supremely underrated defenses each time he won the superbowl. Brady is also one of the worst quarterbacks under pressure in the history of football. Put him behind some of the lines that other quaterbacks have had to deal with and there would be alot more sad Brady memes.

1. Manning

2. Rodgers

3. Brees

4. Marino

then maybe Brady

Tuck rule should have been a fumble

cheated against the Rams

Choked on their undefeated season

Brady- Belichick= Chad Pennington

Dude you are embarrassing yourself. If you are drunk then please seek help. If you are a Pats hater that can't see past your rage then please adjust your tinfoil hat before rooting on the Chiefs on Sunday.

RuppBuster wrote:

Manning, by a mile. football is a team sport so going by superbowl wins is a pretty shitty way to determine. Brady is a system quarterback, they plugged in Matt Cassell and won 10 games. Manning was the system. got hamstrung by bad defenses for most of his colts career while Brady won superbowls with supremely underrated defenses each time he won the superbowl. Brady is also one of the worst quarterbacks under pressure in the history of football. Put him behind some of the lines that other quaterbacks have had to deal with and there would be alot more sad Brady memes.

1. Manning

2. Rodgers

3. Brees

4. Marino

then maybe Brady

Tuck rule should have been a fumble

cheated against the Rams

Choked on their undefeated season

Brady- Belichick= Chad Pennington

^This^

Manning's ability to read & predict defenses is unlike any other QB I've seen. It's like watching a surgeon out there. He actually impressed me more with the Broncos when he didn't have the arm strength so he had to rely more on reading defenses to allow extra time to get ball out of his hands & to receivers. When he was with the Colts he was far above & beyond and QB to play. He'd throw up 28 points on the board before the other team even got warmed up & realized what happened. I'm pretty sure Manning could walk up to the line of scrimmage to see the defense, then put blindfold on & throw it exactly where the receiver will be open for a split sec.

Rodgers: funny he had one down year (for him at least) & everyone jumps off his bandwagon. Rodgers is the most accurate QB to play. That's why his TD/interception ratio's are setting records & far above any other QB at that. Add to that his ability to scramble/ run & he's almost impossible to game plan for. Rodgers is also incredibly clutch whether it be 3rd downs or game winning drives (when his defense actually gives him a change to have the ball at the end of the game.)

Brees is a lot like Rodgers in that he can scramble & throw, but he's not quite as accurate & takes more risks.

Brady: benefits incredibly from Belichick shutting teams down defensively in 2nd half of games. Take away Brady's short throws & crossing routes as well as get a little pressure on him & you'll see he's a very average QB. Not sure why so many defenses can't do this.

Joe Montana with 4-0 superbowls is easily the best.

I understand the case for Brady based on resume, but like others have said he is a system quarterback. Best thing about him (besides being on dominant teams) is how clutch he has been in big games, but not as clutch as Montana. You put him on another team after he had his break in New England and he is still one of the top 5 QBs in the league (until he gets hurt) but he isn't going to the Super Bowl every other year. This year is a good example -- his play hasn't been great and here they are back in the AFC Championship game. The other thing which is crazy to think about is if he doesn't get his shot to start early in his career because of Bledsoe's injury when he did who knows what happens -- he is a journeyman quarterback for a while and out of the league by 6 years.

Joe Montana was the best ever, not sure who comes next, Drew Brees has had a great career but hard to make a case for him even being in the conversation

You mean when they plugged in Matt Cassel, lost 6 fewer games than the past season with a ridiculously easy schedule. Brady has traditionally been good against pressure. This year he’s been hurt (sprained MCL) so he’s struggled. He also gets rid of the ball incredibly quickly, so if you want to penalize him for having less success when the play doesn’t go as planned and he has to hold onto the ball — that’s a lack of understanding of football. How about Pats losing on Tyree fluke catch, no hold called, no forward progress. That wasn’t Brady — his O-line fell apart and the defense gave up a fluky sequence. Brady is great in the system but he is excellent no matter what.

RuppBuster wrote:

Manning, by a mile. football is a team sport so going by superbowl wins is a pretty shitty way to determine. Brady is a system quarterback, they plugged in Matt Cassell and won 10 games. Manning was the system. got hamstrung by bad defenses for most of his colts career while Brady won superbowls with supremely underrated defenses each time he won the superbowl. Brady is also one of the worst quarterbacks under pressure in the history of football. Put him behind some of the lines that other quaterbacks have had to deal with and there would be alot more sad Brady memes.

1. Manning

2. Rodgers

3. Brees

4. Marino

then maybe Brady

Tuck rule should have been a fumble

cheated against the Rams

Choked on their undefeated season

Brady- Belichick= Chad Pennington

Check out Marino’s stats in years where the 49ers made the playoffs but didn’t make the Super Bowl. He stunk. Brady shouldn’t be penalized for some clunkers here and there when Montana lost his frickin’ job and had some stinkers earlier in the playoffs.

The Patriots have the same winning % against the rest of the league as they do vs. the AFC East. They destroy everyone in the regular season. Division talk is wildly overrated. They pretty much play the Colts and the Steelers in the playoffs all those years and obliterate them.

Just an inane argument. The Pats were dinged for taping defensive signals in the stands. Teams all over the league at that point looked at signals and had coaches watching. Pats after they added the defensive headset have been just as good. Brady didn’t need any edge to beat the Chargers’ bland Cover-3 he just torched it with years of experience.

*Meant Montana obviously

Tristate wrote:

Terry Bradshaw won on a team that won 4 SB in 6 years! Why is he never in the conversation?

You know, back when you were allowed to actually hit the WR's and QB'S ?

AND hit the QB. Bradshaw is very underrated. He would call plays himself, on occasion he and his crew ignoring their HOF coach (Knoll) when the pressure was on and they knew their coach was wrong. Terry plays the hick on TV, he's anything but.

NFL = WWE = NBA = Fake sports

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

The Patriots have the same winning % against the rest of the league as they do vs. the AFC East. They destroy everyone in the regular season. Division talk is wildly overrated. They pretty much play the Colts and the Steelers in the playoffs all those years and obliterate them.

This. Montana and Brady are basically head and shoulders above all others, with the often ignored Bradshaw close (who as previous posters noted played when receivers and QBs could be mugged). Montana had to put up with with a bit more leeway given to defenders roughing receivers. He and Brady are the top two, let everyone argue out as to which is number one. As to the rest mentioned here, they're not even close.

Not an inane argument, but you must be a Pats fan. Brady was also busted for deflating balls, which makes it s lot easier to catch...a lot less drops...They cheat anyway they can and the whole team comes out of the locker room after every half time all cooked up on crack that it is ridiculous. DO they have a good long-term system in place, yes. Are they hard to beat at home where the refs are paid off and they are more able to steal playbooks, yes....diritiest team in history, and the dirty system makes them hard to beat. BB is also a good tactical coach...but Brady is just HOF quality, not the GOAT, not by a long shot. Maybe comparing him to Lance was going too far, but more like Barry Bonds. Is Bonds top ten material, sure....HOF material, no. Thew greatest hitter of all time, no way. You can't put cheaters in the GOAT position, unless you really eat #$it for breakfast....and many people from Boston do just that.

Brees is better than Brady, I will give Brees that; he is more top ten material than Brady.

The taping of defensive signals by the Patriots was a violation by the location from where they did it. All teams taped the signals and still do! Even if they didn't tape them, they have the old game footage to look at and decipher them.

As for the football deflation, that was just the NFL trying to get some other team to win! Check out the ideal gas law. The science behind that was ridiculous. Who do you think would be correct in determining a science problem, the NFL or universities such as Stanford, Northwestern, MIT, and the University of Virginia who all studied the science behind that and determined the NFL was wrong.

The fact that the Patriots keep winning proves to me that the NFL is NOT rigged because if it was, then they would not "let" the Patriots win so often.

BTW- I am not a Patriots fan and root for the Chiefs who just lost in crushing fashion to the Pats.

Exactly! +1

In addition to the academic studies which proved the science hte NFL used was junk, there is the work of this guy, who basically says the NFL, though its contractors who did the work, falsified the deflation study results. This is one article - there are others he wrote.

And then there is the common sense question. If Brady and the Patriots needed the "soft" ball and relied on them for success, what explains their results of the last 3 years, including the latest win in cold weather?

RuppBuster wrote:

Manning, by a mile. football is a team sport so going by superbowl wins is a pretty shitty way to determine. Brady is a system quarterback, they plugged in Matt Cassell and won 10 games. Manning was the system. got hamstrung by bad defenses for most of his colts career while Brady won superbowls with supremely underrated defenses each time he won the superbowl. Brady is also one of the worst quarterbacks under pressure in the history of football. Put him behind some of the lines that other quaterbacks have had to deal with and there would be alot more sad Brady memes.

1. Manning

2. Rodgers

3. Brees

4. Marino

then maybe Brady

Tuck rule should have been a fumble

cheated against the Rams

Choked on their undefeated season

Brady- Belichick= Chad Pennington

I want whatever your drinking, because it's working absolute wonders on how you think.

You have a list of 4 quarterbacks who have 5 Super Bowl championships combined (Marino never even won a SB).

Brady has 5 by himself. He has won the Super Bowl MVP more times than any of those QBs has even won the Super Bowl.

Not only that, but you say that football is a team sport. Winning is the only thing that matters in team sports, hence going to the Super Bowl determines the best TEAM, not the best player.

You're drunk and stupid if you actually believe that list...and you don't even have Joe Montana in your top 4?!