Increasing of the amount of people quiting veganism: (formerly the vegan runner on YouTube has quit veganism)

That is flat our wrong. For one thing humans didn't consume bison on any regular basis in any culture. Humans that still live a primitive lifestyle eat way more small game, and eat lots of organ meat. Modern day we only really eat muscle tissue which is far less nutrient dense, which means we eat far more of it as well. It is fattier and pumped full of all kinds of pharmaceutical cocktails. Just go look at how much money the pharmaceutical makes from livestock vs humans. The meat you are eating now is not the meat of the past.

Ever heard of the plains Indians?

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That is flat our wrong. For one thing humans didn't consume bison on any regular basis in any culture. .

Yes, plains Indians relied on bison for many things not just food. What I meant by 'regular basis' was that it was not on a daily basis. Turnips for example were also a staple of their diet. Additionally they ate other animals. Also, all of these animals grazed on grass and were very high in omega 3's, something that is not true about almost any modern meat you buy in a grocery store. Even most 'grass fed' beef is not that high in omega 3's as they are only grass fed for a small portion of their life, just long enough for the producers to stick that label on their. Most people don't want to eat the lesser tasty tasting meats.

That plains indians were eating lots of berries, wild rice and potatoes. But their bodies couldn't digest any of that right?

One big difference between omega 3 in animal products vs plants. Is that it is already in the form your body needs in animals. However, the conversion rate of ALA to DHA and EPA is very poor. And you're forgetting something very important. While muscle meat in land animals is very poor, the organs of the animal, especially the brain is very high in omega 3 fatty acid. Up till modern times people favored the organs of the animal over the muscle meat for an reason.

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Also, all of these animals grazed on grass and were very high in omega 3's, something that is not true about almost any modern meat you buy in a grocery store. Even most 'grass fed' beef is not that high in omega 3's as they are only grass fed for a small portion of their life, just long enough for the producers to stick that label on their. Most people don't want to eat the lesser tasty tasting meats.

You do know they were eating that as a side. Not as there main course.

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That plains indians were eating lots of berries, wild rice and potatoes. But their bodies couldn't digest any of that right?

As a 'side'? We aren't talking about modern life, with sides and sh*t. Ask yourself this which is easier, picking some plants or hunting and killing a massive animal? Which do you think you will have an easier time eating on a daily basis?

Also, if you really know anything about plains indians diets, you would also know that pemmican was heavily consumed that was a mixture of berries, herbs and meat. But I wonder why they would mix all that undigestible plant matter in there, right? So weird.

It wasn't a matter of 'sides and mains' it was what is available on a daily basis. Some days all you'd have is bison meat, other days it would be nothing but rice and turnips, maybe some berries or whatever other thing is in season.

And yes, they ate way more organ meat. I see few people advocating for eating organ meat. Yet folks here would rather discard eating plants for eating muscle tissue which is much lower in nutrients than organ meat. Almost sounds like folks just want to eat what tastes good rather than what people of the past actually ate or what is healthier less healthier. Its almost as if the argument centers around what people enjoy.

A few things. One, they only ate fruit in season and local. Two, when getting food what do you think is more nutrient dense: a salad with some berries or some animal, fat, organs and muscle meat. Vegans don't realize it because most people today are soft and have lost touch with there ancestral behavior. Our ancestors had no problem catching prey to eat. I never denied we ate a wide variety diet that included plants. But there is a reason why primitive people prized the fat and organ meats of the animal. Sure, your p#ssy vegan a$$ might not be able to catch a bison. But that doesn't mean the plains Indians couldn't easily do it.

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As a 'side'? We aren't talking about modern life, with sides and sh*t. Ask yourself this which is easier, picking some plants or hunting and killing a massive animal? Which do you think you will have an easier time eating on a daily basis?

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First, I am not vegan. Second, this is not true. If it were true that they could easily obtain bison meat, why did they also eat a variety of other smaller, easier to kill animals? The bison hunt was a huge undertaking. It may be romantic to think of tough indians riding around killing buffalo on a daily basis but this was not the case. This is also precisely why one of the main ways bison meat was consumed was through drying it and mixing it because it was a way to preserve it through the long winters so that they would not starve, because contrary to the action movie you are thinking up in your head that life was like back then, meals were often times few and far between.

Also, plant foods can be quite filling, especially when its simply a matter of going out picking as much as you want. Yes, there were seasons, plant foods were not available year round. Just like bison were not just standing around waiting to be killed.

only local berries for those hipsters right wrote:

Second, this is not true. If it were true that they could easily obtain bison meat, why did they also eat a variety of other smaller, easier to kill animals?

Also, plant foods can be quite filling, especially when its simply a matter of going out picking as much as you want. Yes, there were seasons, plant foods were not available year round. Just like bison were not just standing around waiting to be killed.

On your first point, because we can, but getting majority of your calories from small lean game meat is not desirable and will result in rabbit starvation. Plants aren't really satisfying. Sure, they might fill your stomach up. But, they won't get the nutrients your body needs. You won't actually be full, just filled up your stomach with indigestable plant matter to the point you can't stick any more food in your stomach is not actually being satiated. If you drank a gallon of water in one sitting you would be full. But you wouldn't actually be satiated.

Another vegan (this time couple)quits the death cult.

Go to 3:37

https://youtu.be/dwYRaHxMPuA

Well, it was a rhetorical since I already know the answer to this. I have Ojibwe family members and was raised on those cultural and religious traditions so it is something I am quite close to. You are obviously quite uninformed and are living in a fantasy. Buffalo hunts lasted many days, even weeks. In fact this is part of the reason plains indians populations were smaller than other populations of American Indians, it was a harsher life than for Ojibwe for example which ate a lot of fish as it was much easier to obtain and didn't require traveling vast distances. Prior to European arrival there were no horses in North America and it was no small task to track and take down buffalo. When European settlers brought horses and guns it became much easier to track and kill many buffalo, but this is a very small time frame in the existence of the plains Indians for reasons I am sure you are aware.

Also, I am not sure what you mean about food being filling but that you won't actually be full. Thats a new one I haven't heard. Also, interesting that carbs are both terrible and cause obesity while also being undigestible and not filling. Maybe you need to think things through a little more?

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Also, I am not sure what you mean about food being filling but that you won't actually be full. Thats a new one I haven't heard. Also, interesting that carbs are both terrible and cause obesity while also being undigestible and not filling. Maybe you need to think things through a little more?

Try being vegan. Like I was for four years. I was never satified, always thinking about the next meal etc. Now on a primarily animal base diet I never think about food. As a vegan I was snacking all the time. Now I can go all day without food and not being hungry. Your body craves protien and fat. It has no nutritional requirement for dietary carbohydrates. On the point on how can food be both indigestable and fattening? Well, it depends on the type of plant you are consuming. If you're eating a bunch of empty calories from refined foods than yes it can be very fattening since you had a machine break down the food for you and being very calorically dense in calories. But, with more fibrous foods it is very had to get any nutrients from these kinds of food. In addition there are chemicals in plants that prevent the absorption of vitamins and minerals. As far as Indian diet. Well that varied from place to place and they ate seasonal. Eskimos or the more PC term Inuit primarily ate a sea food diet, but they did eat seasonal fruits and vegetables. And they did favored animal foods over plants. Read Weston Price writings on primitive people.

Every one of them sounds like a self-involved jerk. Maybe they became vegans because they realized they were jerks and wanted to appear to be good, caring, and thoughtful. Hope they find another cult to keep them out of the general population.

Bodies DO crave protein and fat. 80-20 burger FTW.

The only sustainable diet is key-toe, and ya'll know it.

Sugar is poison. Grain is poison. Processed carbohydrates are a poison. Fruits are nothing like they're supposed to be, and worse than candy bars. But go ahead and eat like you've always done. Eat the standard American diet.