Increasing of the amount of people quiting veganism: (formerly the vegan runner on YouTube has quit veganism)

That’s so catchy. I am totally going to steal that, for that next that I want to sound like a comple moron.

Hey Sage I heard on the internets that the youtube channel name "The Vegan Runner" has suddenly become available. Here's your chance to bump your subs 10K+ overnight.

So catchy wrote:

That’s so catchy. I am totally going to steal that, for that next that I want to sound like a comple moron.

Plants can't run or fight predators. So they attack predators by way of chemical warfare. Anyways, here's a video if you need a good laugh.

Why is this even a debate?

Think about which of the 2 generations below is expected to live longer.

Baby Boomers:

* processed food (i.e. TV dinners)

* all types of meat

* whole milk

* Wonder Bread

* canned pineapples

* whiskey

* Cigarettes

* LSD

* Peyote

Millennials:

* Avocado toast

* Coconut water

* Kale smoothies

* Soy "milk"

* 9.2 ABV IPAs

* MDMA

* Weed vaping

Well according to most of the reports out there the current generation is projected to live shorter than its parents. So, switching from whole milk to soy milk, eggs & bacon to green smoothies and whatever else you think is a healthy diet is really paying off.

YMMV wrote:

Animals fight back before you kill them and eat them, plants do so afterwards.

You have zero credibility. You fell for a fad (you even call it the vegan propaganda) and now you "woke up" and just fell for another, the keto-fasting-no-carb-vegans-are-stupid-I-am-the-savior-and-the-truth fad.

And you want people to listen to you?

Try using another handle and reasonable, not radical, arguments, and you may get your message across, whatever that message is.

YMMV wrote:

Animals fight back before you kill them and eat them, plants do so afterwards.

Yes, animals protect themselves with their claws and teeth and hides, i.e., the parts we don't eat. Just like plants.

Actual literature review, relative to diet, other risk factors and CAD in the Japanese. With citations. Not much different than i have taught, in the past.

Hmmmmmmm link appears not to be working. Lets see if this works.

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jat/18/9/18_8193/_pdf

DAMN.............anyway for those interested the review info is: Tada, et al: Japanese Lifestyle and Cardiovascular Disease. Journal of Atherosclerosis and Thrombosis, 2011; 18 #9, 723 - 734. A google search will pull it up.

Turning Japanese wrote:

Actual carb content of the Japanese diet is 58%, compared to 63% for famously unhealthy Russia. Highest carbs are Rwanda, Burundi, Congo and Bangladesh all above 80%. Their health outcomes are not considered ideal.

Lol! Absolute Bull$hit nonsense.

I wrote this on another thread, here you go-

" The okinawans ate a 90% carb traditional diet. Longest lived people on the planet. The tarahumara, famous for their low levels of heart disease and long distance running prowess, ate a 90% carb diet consisting of mostly beans, corn, and veggies.

And look what they found out last year:

"The Tsimane diet largely consists of non-processed carbohydrates high in fibre, such as rice, plantain, manioc, corn, nuts and fruits.

An estimated 14% of their average caloric diet is protein, 14% is fat, and 72% is carbohydrate

Scientists who examined hundreds of men and women from the group found that almost nine out of 10 had clear arteries showing no risk of heart disease.

Even in old age most remained in astonishingly good health.

They have the lowest reported levels of coronary artery disease of any population recorded to date.

"

But, but, but.......

So catchy wrote:

That’s so catchy. I am totally going to steal that, for that next that I want to sound like a comple moron.

HA HA HA HA HA!!!

No, seriously, that was good.

Dude, you are insane. Your obsession with digestive systems and weak evolutionary theory is comical. Your points are absurd and contradictory and inconsistent. Firstly, your name: "humans are not herbivores ." DUH!!!! They're OMNIvores. That is a unique class of animals. Look it up. It means they can eat EITHER plants OR animals. Read that again, and then settle down. So......they likely do best eating both, but CAN eat only one and survive. Now eating an all-meat diet is possible, but challenging because getting nutrients like vitamin C and others from meat is more difficult than from plant food (fruit, veggies). You need to eat raw liver, brain, and other organ meats, and that poses it own risks. Not ideal. But people have done it reasonably well at times. One can also eat a NO MEAT ALL PLANT diet. But as discussed 10000x times, B12 is an issue, *though* historical groups do seem to have gotten enough when no meat was available through water containing bacteria or unwashed veggies from fertilizer. However, that of course poses risks. But people have eaten this diet reasonably well. So........ (you still with me, smartypants?)..... Humans ideal diet is likely OMNIvorous, BOTH plants and animals. Contrary to Paleo dogma, during the majority of human ancestral history, in most parts of the globe, humans were eating a MAJORITY PLANT diet. Read that again: MAJORITY PLANT DIET. And in more recent times (last 20,000 years, which is actually plenty long for evolutionary adaptations, see: milk), humans have continued, or even increased, their reliance on PLANT FOODS AS THE MAJORITY OF THEIR CALORIES. Until very recently ( roughly last 40 years, with advent of desk jobs, long commutes, 2 cars, computers video entertainment all the times, high calorie/high fat/high sugar CHEAP fast foods on every block), this worked very well for humans. Some of the healthiest populations on the planet have eaten a MOSTLY (75-95%) PLANT food diet, and lived very healthy, long lives. Eating plants didn't hurt our health (duh, what a stupid conclusion), but not moving/exercising combined with eating way too many calories (especially from high sugar AND high FAT fast food/dessert/junk snacks) is what caused us to get fat (though CVD deaths have actually, again contrary to paleo/keto/taubes nonsense, gone DOWN, due to less saturated fat intake, less smoking, better medical interventions, more statins. Again, cvd DOWN despite high levels of obesity) Therefore (hang in their lil' buddy, almost done, you.....can...do....it), to state/suggest/conclude, as you have, many, many times that "Humans cannot properly digest any plant matter properly" (undigested fibers play a vital role in keeping us healthy, actually) and that humans can't properly subsist off of large amount of plant foods is pure idiocy. They've been doing it for AEONS!!!! Just because some of these high plant diets also contain small amounts of fish or meat doesn't mean these people aren't eating high amounts of plant foods. They are, and doing it well. But that isn't enough for you, actual proof of societies eating tons of plant foods and living long healthy lives? Instead you need to yammer on and on and on and on and on about dogs, cats, cecums, our teeth, our stomach ph, and on and on and on?? You are making absolutely no sense in the face of mountains of evidence contrary to your beliefs!

humans are not herbivores wrote:

Herbivores digestive system break plant matter down and turns it into fat. Herbivores de facto live on a high fat diet. Vegans do not realize this.

Pure idiocy. If they EAT a lot fat, their diet is high fat. But if not.....it's not. But (i'll bite)- I thought you low carb keto klowns thought high fat diets were good??? Well, then if you're right about vegan diets always being high fat (but you're not), then you should be saying: "Vegan diet is a good high fat diet!! " You just contradict yourself left and right.

humans are not herbivores wrote:Vegans, before saying nonsense. Please read up on the digestive system of a herbivore vs a carnivore. Than please compare that to the digestive system of humans.

[quote]humans are not herbivores wrote:

https://www.evolvingsciences.com/Carnivore%20digestive%20system.html

From your own link-

"Carnivores have a predominantly meat diet. As such their digestive system is very different to humans "

Gotcha. VERY DIFFERENT THAN HUMANS. So using YOUR logic: HUMANS SHOULDN'T EAT MUCH MEAT! Right? I'm gonna change my name, in honor of you, to "HUMANS ARE NOT CARNIVORES." 'Cause they're not. They're OMNIvores. Who have subsisted successfully and in good health on high plant food diets most of their history.

YMMVLOL wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Animals fight back before you kill them and eat them, plants do so afterwards.

You have zero credibility. You fell for a fad (you even call it the vegan propaganda) and now you "woke up" and just fell for another, the keto-fasting-no-carb-vegans-are-stupid-I-am-the-savior-and-the-truth fad.

And you want people to listen to you?

Try using another handle and reasonable, not radical, arguments, and you may get your message across, whatever that message is.

Not addressing his points. Just claiming he follows a fad diet. Plants do have toxins. We cannot properly digest a large amount plant matter. Yet, humans have been eating animals and there byproducts for millions of years. The Plants we are currently eating have not been around in there current form for very long.

Epidemiology research you point to t sex is nonsense. Correlation does not equal causation.

https://youtu.be/sWGMebA6T28

[quote]Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

a bunch of nonsense.

/quote]

You're not understanding what I am saying on the human digestive system. I said humans can not properly digest a large amounts of plant matter. I did not say we can not consume a small amount of plant matter. Are we omnivores? Sure in the sense we can consume both plants and animals. But, a better term is probably mesocarnivore. Than you go on to say that a vegan can digest a the large amounts plant matter they consume if they do it with vegetable oils. Which is unnatural, highly processed and high in omega 6. Also, proves my point that we can not naturally digest the large amounts of plant matter. You cannot do it naturally. Also, did not address my point on the human digestive system, you just brushed it off to the side claiming I do not understand the human digestive system. The human body does not have a cecum nor does it have a multi chamber stomach. Meaning we can not properly digest a large amounts of plant matter. But please t rex, keep pulling these red herrings.

T rex, let me restate this: We lost our cecum which is very important for primarily herbivorous nor do we have a multi chamber stomach.

In herbivores, the cecum stores food material where bacteria are able to break down the cellulose. This function no longer occurs in the human cecum (see appendix), so in humans it is simply a dead-end pouch forming a part of the large intestine.

Most mammalian herbivores have a relatively large cecum, hosting a large number of bacteria, which aid in the enzymatic breakdown of plant materials such as cellulose; in many species, it is considerably wider than the colon. In contrast, obligatory carnivores, whose diets contain little or no plant material, have a reduced cecum, which is often partially or wholly replaced by the appendix.[5] Mammalian species which do not develop a cecum include raccoons, bears, and the red panda. Over 99% of the bacteria in the gut flora are anaerobes,[7][8][9][10][11] but in the cecum, aerobic bacteria reach high densities.[7]

Not addressing his points wrote:

Not addressing his points. Just claiming he follows a fad diet. Plants do have toxins. We cannot properly digest a large amount plant matter. Yet, humans have been eating animals and there byproducts for millions of years. The Plants we are currently eating have not been around in there current form for very long.

So should we assume you asserting the modern livestock and other animals we consume are the same as in the past? Nothing has changed there, right?

Yes, correlation does not equal causation. Just like how the fact we do not have cecum does not mean we cannot eat plants, it does not mean we do not have one because we are meant to eat meat. We've been cooking our food for thousands of years. Cooking softens food and makes it easier to digest. It is therefor just as likely we do not have cecum because we no longer need it for digesting plant matter due to the fact we cook our food unlike literally every other animal on the planet. Our digestive system differs from carnivore and herbivore, this is why we are omnivores. We cook food and have found ways to eat just about anything. There is no 'meant to' and nothing we eat in our modern lives is at all 'the same food', plants are different, the animals we eat are different and have been bred to be a certain way, we don't even eat all of the same parts of the animal as people in the past.