Alyson Felix forgoes squats completely:
https://www.stack.com/a/the-exercise-that-helped-allyson-felix-become-a-high-school-track-superstar
Alyson Felix forgoes squats completely:
https://www.stack.com/a/the-exercise-that-helped-allyson-felix-become-a-high-school-track-superstar
20 year analysis wrote:
Farah is not 3-5% body fat, don't believe such silly numbers. More like 8% when he's racing.
Why not? I'm 5.6% body fat, and Farah looks WAY leaner than I do.
One of the more noted proponents of partial squats (half and quarter) was Charlie Francis. He had Ben doing very heavy partials and almost never full squats. That said, partial squats create nasty shear forces between the tibia and patella, so I think long-term it makes more sense to go slightly past 90.
It depends on the type of drugs you take. Are you stupid?
SWAZ wrote:
20 year analysis wrote:
Farah is not 3-5% body fat, don't believe such silly numbers. More like 8% when he's racing.
Why not? I'm 5.6% body fat, and Farah looks WAY leaner than I do.
No you're not, probably more like 10-15%.
People don't go much below 10% for physique contests and that's about it, it totally drains you without PEDs.
NahBrah wrote:
SWAZ wrote:
Why not? I'm 5.6% body fat, and Farah looks WAY leaner than I do.
No you're not, probably more like 10-15%.
People don't go much below 10% for physique contests and that's about it, it totally drains you without PEDs.
I know runners who have body fat below 5%. Get your facts straight.
Gggggg wrote:
So where does his speed come from?
His Mom and Dad.
20 year analysis wrote:
Farah is not 3-5% body fat, don't believe such silly numbers. More like 8% when he's racing.
His speed is nothing special, he's a distance runner. He is not and never has been sub 12 material for 100. His speed endurance is exceptional and has been since he ran 1.48 for 800 when he was young. It's called fitness baby. He runs a lot more than you and races with his heart and soul, always has done.
You wanna bet he can't go under 12 for a 100.... sub 12 easy
Bodyfat idiots again wrote:
20 year analysis wrote:
8% is very skinny.
Yup. People here brag about being 3% or getting there not realizing theyre dead at 3%. Most people are clueless as to what normal body fat percentages are. 8% is near the minimum you can have and still be healthy.
Body fat has nothing to do with 'skinny'.
Also... In June, 2003: LeBron James was 6'7" 245 pounds with just 6.7% body fat.
It all boils down to physics in the end. How wide are your hips? How long is your Tibia bone relative to your Fibia bone? How long and how flexible is your Achilles tendon? How much longer is your big toe relative to the other toes? You can't put in what god left out!
Distance Running is less about strength than it is about physical attributes. In a nutshell we are talking about energy storage, conservation, and redeployment. Most of this is a function of your body geometry . Yes...some people really are born to run. Others were born to stay and fight! ?
Farah could do sub 12 for a flying 100 its different. His start is bad but his speed endurance is great. His speed comes from economy. Farah is actually good at running and requires less strength, therefore less oxygen per meter.
Having tested a number of Olympic athletes at Chula Vista and other Human Performance Labs, I'd say it is very rare to have any athlete be below 7%. And please don't tell me you stood on a scale that did it, or used some uncalibrated plastic calipers to get skinfold measurements. Males under 7 are very rare and females under 12 equally so. Correctly administered hydrostatic measurements still the most accurate way to go.
Because it's still 3x his body weight
This is dead false. Essential body fat is around 3 to 5%.
HYDROSTATIC?! Are you kidding? With crap like the bod pod and DEXA, do you honestly believe that hydrostatic weighing is the most accurate measure?
fisky wrote:
Question...
I question the benefits of ass-to-grass squats. Alan2004, should we be doing these? Anyone else want to jump in with an informed opinion?
No one besides sprinters coming out of the blocks needs strength at this extreme range of motion, in my opinion. Plus, the weight plus the extreme knee flexion puts the knees at risk for injury.
I seldom go below thighs parallel to the ground on squats. Opinions?
I do go slightly lower doing air squats and wall balls, but that's only a twice-monthly workout for me.
Ass-to-grass is actually generally better for your knees than quarter and half squats.
The smallest angle a sprinter's leg ever hits under load is 90 degrees (which is only 1 leg even), so if we're only training to mimic actual movements in sprinting, there would be no need to go past a parallel squat (or half-squat, depending on what you want to call it).
The general wisdom on quarter/half-squats vs full/ATG ones is that Quarter and Half are predominately a quad exercise while going ATG will get much more posterior chain engagement. I'd also posit that going ATG will allow you more time under load (a good thing for training the CNS), at an equal bar speed to a quarter/half squat, or equal time under load while doing faster bar speeds. If two sprinters can squat 500lbs, but one can do a 300lb pause squat from bottom to top in 1 second, and the other does that same weight in 1.5 seconds, I'm betting the farm on the first guy in a race.
Regarding the Makhloufi video, it looks like he was doing an overloaded walk-out, which in strength training is done as a supplemental lift to improve squatting. As you get 'good' at squatting, or benching, or any other core lift, the setup for the lift itself becomes more and more challenging. If I'm just starting out with strength training, a set of 5 squats with my body weight on the bar might be very challenging, but getting the bar off the rack and taking a couple steps into position certainly isn't. When you start squatting multiples of your body weight, just getting it out of the rack, and the walk-out into position becomes a serious strain in and of itself. Lifters will put way more weight than they can actually squat on the bar and practice walk-outs and practice initiating a lift so when they are trying to do a heavy squat the setup for the lift isn't such a drain on their actual lift attempt. Makhloufi seemed like he was pretty serious about strength training, so he could have been doing these purely to then get better at squatting, but I won't make any wild speculation about those walkouts having a running specific application.
20 year analysis wrote:
Ggff wrote:
He’s not 8%.
8% is very skinny.
A person at 8% can be skinny or not. Bodyfat % has no meaning as far as skinniness goes, it's all about how much muscle someone has.
fisky wrote:
Question...
I question the benefits of ass-to-grass squats. Alan2004, should we be doing these? Anyone else want to jump in with an informed opinion?
No one besides sprinters coming out of the blocks needs strength at this extreme range of motion, in my opinion. Plus, the weight plus the extreme knee flexion puts the knees at risk for injury.
I seldom go below thighs parallel to the ground on squats. Opinions?
I do go slightly lower doing air squats and wall balls, but that's only a twice-monthly workout for me.
Here are some papers saying that full range of motion squatting is more beneficial than partial range of motion squatting:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276209032_Lower_Extremity_Strength_and_the_Range_of_Motion_in_Relation_to_Squat_Depthhttps://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/fulltext/2012/04000/Effects_of_Changing_from_Full_Range_of_Motion_to.2.aspxAnd here is an article for a more popular audience (yes, yes, from a site promoting CrossFit) that also argues for arse-to-grass (ATG) squatting while adding that ATG squatting is safer than partial squatting:
http://boxlifemagazine.com/7-reasons-to-squat-ass-to-grass/https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1115/5120495578_a08918066e_b.jpgRay wrote:
it is very rare to have any athlete be below 7%.
What's her body fat percentage? Have you ever tested an anorexic?
facts and reason wrote:
https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1115/5120495578_a08918066e_b.jpgRay wrote:
it is very rare to have any athlete be below 7%.
What's her body fat percentage? Have you ever tested an anorexic?
Dam, I wonder what Asbel Kiprop in his prime looked liked with his shirt off?