D1 in PA - CT - RI - NY

We have had this conversation many times here. How many coaches have you seen publishing their standards so that they can get fast guys to attend their school? None. If coaches gave full rides to 9:20 guys, they would come here and inform everyone so that they would be bombarded with the 9:10 guys who are getting nothing. use some logical thinking when reading the posts.

You guys are idiots or liars. Two sons that ran 9:07 and 9:10 and they walked on? What are you, stupid? Completely bullcrap from some people. My brother ran 4:27 and 9:54 and he got a full ride Division 1.

Some of you are very helpful and some of you I feel like are just trying to mislead me. The ones that are helping, thank you. I will fill out the questionnaire at Haverford and email the coach.

Why D1? It's always been a big goal of mine that's all. We all have them right? I just don't want to give up yet knowing that I can improve this year and I know this year is the most important.

Education wise is tough. I don't have the best grades. They're decent, 3.4 with 2 AP courses, but I haven't taken the SAT yet and I know there are much smarter people out there. I'm 17 years old. I can pick a school because it has my major but at 17 I'm not ready to say that I know what I want to do for the rest of my life. I do know that I want to run for the next few years so I'm making that my #1 priority. Yes, I'll give school everything I have but I'm picking the school based on the coach and program then will rule it out if I hate the campus or school. I think that's ok. I'm sure many of you don't really yet know what you want to do with the rest of your life.

Again, thanks for the helpful posts. The replies that were from others, well, it's ok I know half of what's on the web is trash anyway. Thanks

Did you read the logical analysis? What school gives out these full rides? Help a bunch of kids and coaches out by connecting them. My son will transfer in a second for a full ride. He also ran 9:10 and is a walk-on at indiana. There are hundreds of wal-ons at those numbers who would love to get some cash. None of you will provide school names because we will be able to refute your lie.

These stupid posts only encourage the 9:30-10:00 Hs runners to think they can run D1. It doesn't happen and there certainly are no scholarships at the schools that accept 9:3x guys. Schools like Vanderbilit and Creighton offer no scholarhsips and even they get guys faster than that. It is simple supply and demand. If a coach offers scholarships to kids running 9:40, word gets out and the 9:20 kids come knocking. They wouldn't try to keep it a secret, they would proclaim it to the world. No 9:54 runner got any scholarship. 8:54 guys don't even get full rides.

Stop with the lies wrote:

These stupid posts only encourage the 9:30-10:00 Hs runners to think they can run D1. It doesn't happen and there certainly are no scholarships at the schools that accept 9:3x guys. Schools like Vanderbilit and Creighton offer no scholarhsips and even they get guys faster than that. It is simple supply and demand. If a coach offers scholarships to kids running 9:40, word gets out and the 9:20 kids come knocking. They wouldn't try to keep it a secret, they would proclaim it to the world. No 9:54 runner got any scholarship. 8:54 guys don't even get full rides.

Go take your soap box somewhere else you dumb f hole. The OP isn't that fast and isn't looking for scholarships. He is looking for guidance. Here's an idea, maybe help the kid instead of spewing useless garbage so that you feel better about yourself.

OP, you won't get money but it looks like you know that. There is nothing wrong with any of those schools you mentioned. You may want to also add BU to your list or Stonybrook. Submit the questionnaires and waite for the coaches to contact you.

Life is like a race. In a race you can either play it safe or you can take the risk that you'll die at the end. If it's the Olympics you better lay down the hammer from the start. Life is like the Olympics. You get one chance. So if you have a dream, then chase it. You'll likely fail. Most do. But if you don't chase it then you will fail 100% guaranteed. If you chase it and you fail at least you tried and won't live the rest of your life saying what if. Just prepare yourself for the fact the end may be unpleasant, then lay down the Fing hammer. But you better do it in grades too

There is nothing wrong with failure. But it really sucks to just give in and listen to all the pu$$ies who say don't try.

The post seems pretty helpful. The OP is only a junior who will probably run 9:3x this year. There are other posters who claim to get full rides at slower times than that. Are you not reading all of the posts? What do you think that does to a 16 year old? Other posters are encouraging him to consider D3 so it has to be put into perspective. Somebody needs to be honest.

For confidentiality I won't give all details, but let me share the last full scholarship for a male athlete (100% athletic aid), Mid-Major, over my three year tenure that we offered (early offer) and accepted and the full rationalization why we offered what we did -

Runner A - state runner up in 3200m from a state not renowned for super fast distance times. 9:35-ish, which was close to top 10 in the state that year, all divisions. 2 x top 7 in cross country. Top Foot Locker performer from state in region race, did not make Finals. His coach never put him in the mile, but he always anchored the 4 x 800m in around 1:57. Also had shown steeplechase ability in USATF/AAU meets, set IB record at 6:27. Tremendous competitor, pretty raw talent confirmed he ran around 20 miles per week. I offered 100% because of his ability, potential, character and he was the best local runner in the area. He was also from a private school and had 3.7-ish GPA, 26 ACT. It paid off because the largest private university (also DI) offered full scholarship minus room and board. His parents were not well-off. He also received full ride, minus books to an SEC program. One of my best recruits, changed the program with his work ethic and had a great career, still in the record books.

You wouldn't be able to walk onto Pitt or Duquesne. I ran for Pitt and was recruited by UConn, and it's the same story, a big name school like that won't want you on their team.

Marist, Rhode Island, and Saint Francis seem to be the only shots on this list.

You took him when 9 minute guys would have been happy to get a full ride. That is terrible recruiting on your part. There are no teams in the SEC who take 9:35 walk-ons. There are no teams in the country who give any athletic aid for 9:35. You must not understand Title IX. The NCAA now allows transfers to add their names to a list but yet 14:30 5k guys can’t find a crappy team.

Here is what you don't understand. I can't attract 9:00 kids because they want to accept less money to attend a more "prestigious" university for either athletics or academics or to be Power 5. For example, in the state I am in, say 9 out of the top 10 XC guys attended the SAME university because of it's reputation. A handful got money and a handful walked on. ALL of them would have been considered for the four full rides I had to offer. I think you don't understand that some very fast kids have very big egos and they don't want to run for X University so they run for STATE University.

I think it'd be great for the RoJo/WeJo to do an interview/survey with the coaches on this board to reveal who/what type of athlete they offer scholarships to.. you'd be surprised. Would you want some female examples or other male examples?

And I hope you're learning that the beauty of recruiting is to not go off fast times.

What did Day from NAU run in high school? 9:30?

What did Isai Rodriguez from Oklahoma State run in high school? 9:40?

For every Grant Fisher, there are dozens of 9:30 kids that become borderline All-Americans.

My borderline All-Americans ran 4:27/9:54 and 4:32/9:37 in high school.

I'd rather take a 9:30 kid I know pretty damn well than a 9:05 kid that might flame out.

DI Asst Coach wrote:

And I hope you're learning that the beauty of recruiting is to not go off fast times.

What did Day from NAU run in high school? 9:30?

What did Isai Rodriguez from Oklahoma State run in high school? 9:40?

For every Grant Fisher, there are dozens of 9:30 kids that become borderline All-Americans.

I'd rather take a 9:30 kid I know pretty damn well than a 9:05 kid that might flame out.

This gives me hope thanks for posting. I don't know if I have what it takes to get that fast but I'm trying. I eat well, get my sleep, and listen to my coach. But I know if I listen, do this stuff and work as hard as I can then hopefully I'll continue to get faster and find a school with the attitude you're describing.

Guys, I'm not asking about if I can get money. What I'm asking for is input on the schools I'm asking about. I'd like to hear some candid feedback on these programs if possible. Thank you.

For what it’s worth. I walked on to a d3 team. I had barely run in HS, so getting anything was out of the question (4:34, 10:04). I ran one year at a JC, got my times down(4:12, 9:17). Then walked on to a d3 school where they “hooked” me up with a dorm room. That was huge as the school was in a big very expensive city. I qualified for tuition assistance as I had been off my parents dole for over a year. Anyhow, I had a great situation college experience and paid nothing for it. Wound up running much faster

D3 schools can’t hook you up with a dorm room.

You are a terrible recruiter. Are you kidding? Day was an NXN qualifier who ran 14:59 and he had to walk on. That doesn’t bolster your case. Have 3 kids on my team right now who have run about 9:25. They would go to any D1 school that would let them walk on. They would beg to go to a D1 school that would give them any money. Two are going D3 and 1 is walking on D2.

Send a note to a handful of 9:15 kids in neighboring states offering them a few thousand bucks and your team would improve overnight.

Stop with the lies wrote:

These stupid posts only encourage the 9:30-10:00 Hs runners to think they can run D1. It doesn't happen and there certainly are no scholarships at the schools that accept 9:3x guys. Schools like Vanderbilit and Creighton offer no scholarhsips and even they get guys faster than that. It is simple supply and demand. If a coach offers scholarships to kids running 9:40, word gets out and the 9:20 kids come knocking. They wouldn't try to keep it a secret, they would proclaim it to the world. No 9:54 runner got any scholarship. 8:54 guys don't even get full rides.

Not actually true. There are schools out there with budgets to give out $ and just simply do not attract top runners. I'll give out 1 example I can say for sure gives out athletic money to guys over 10 in the 3200 in HS: St. Bonaventure. Sure, a bad running school, but there are plenty others out there in the same boat.

And 8:54 don't get full rides? Yes they do. Not uncommon. If an 8:54 wants a full they can find plenty of schools willing to give it to them.

And saying that "These stupid posts only encourage the 9:30-10:00 Hs runners to think they can run D1" isn't exactly the best way to promote the sport. There are runners who have success at the next level who were not studs in HS. Just look at Oklahoma State's top 2 at NCAAs. Off the top of my head, I believe their top runner (4th ovr) was 9:27, and their #2 (maybe 60-something?) was 9:40 ish.

To the OP:

If money is a necessity, then you will be able to find it. If you are simply looking to walk on, you will be able to at a fair number of schools, but certainly not the top dogs, barring any major improvements.

Rodriguez ran 14:53 in HS and won his state meet by almost 2 minutes. No, there are no surprises at the NCAA meet.