Really depends on the age of the athlete in question. In Texas for example, a 9:45 would put you in contention for a track state title in all but the 5A and 6A classes. So if you attend a high school with a student population of less than 1150 (which is ~59% of high schools in Texas' UIL) and you've run a 9:45, you're considered really good.
Technically, yes, that is a hobby jogger. You could not earn any money with that time.
The true definition of a hobby jogger is someone who runs for fun/someone who does not get paid for it.
Age does not change it. A 70 year old guy running 21 minutes may be the best in the world but he is still slow. I will go with sub 9 for a guy and sub 10 for a girl as very round numbers where they become sub-elite.
But can we make a distinction between hobby jogger and hobby runner?
I'd say if you are going out and running less than 5 miles, you're a hobby jogger.
wtfbbq wrote:
Technically, yes, that is a hobby jogger. You could not earn any money with that time.
The true definition of a hobby jogger is someone who runs for fun/someone who does not get paid for it.
Does meal money and clothes count as being paid?
wtfbbq wrote:
Technically, yes, that is a hobby jogger. You could not earn any money with that time.
The true definition of a hobby jogger is someone who runs for fun/someone who does not get paid for it.
9:45 two mile and what are the other personal bests?
If you want to bring in specifics, then you have to consider Texas to be a slow state for track times. Spring quickly transitions from cold and windy to hot and humid, so 9:45 in Texas is likely not equal to 9:45 in a fairer state. Either way, most smaller school Texas runners are likely multi sport athletes anyway, and track is just something they compete in for fun and to compete. So yes, you probably could consider the slower guys hobby joggers.
But seriously, 9:45 is weak sauce. I’d be shocked if that won 1A this year.
wtfbbq wrote:
Technically, yes, that is a hobby jogger. You could not earn any money with that time.
The true definition of a hobby jogger is someone who runs for fun/someone who does not get paid for it.
Those two things are not the same. Peter Snell and Roger Bannister did not get paid for their efforts, but they weren't running for fun. You even contradict yourself by defining a hobby jogger as somebody who runs for fun. At least use the term 'hobby runner' to describe somebody who can run rather than jog. Better still, why not use the more respectful term 'amateur runner' for those who can compete at the top end of local races in their own age groups, and who largely run for that purpose?
Hobby jogger runs for the benefits: getting in shape, clearing the mind, loosing weight.
A runner runs because he/she likes running, wants improve their times, and like to compete.
The other thread about HS elite times centers around 9 minutes so 9:45 would probably be Hobby Jogging then because there would be thousands of HS and college and post college runners between 9 and 9:45. Take all them out and that leaves only.....
Standard definition: anyone slower than me is a Hobby Jogger.
My rule is that if anyone can call you a Hobby Jogger, then you are a Hobby Jogger
Conclusion: Unless your name is Kipchoge or Bekele, you are a Hobby Jogger.
Embrace it.
What's obviously ruffling everyone's feathers is the use of the word "jogger". Jogger implies someone who is either doing it to lose weight or not with a serious focus on time performance.
If it makes all the people feeling insulted by the term feel any better, at least in my opinion, the more appropriate term for them is "hobby runners".
Hobby runner has no ring.
Recreational Runner wrote:
Hobby runner has no ring.
+1
nice troll man wrote:
Really depends on the age of the athlete in question. In Texas for example, a 9:45 would put you in contention for a track state title in all but the 5A and 6A classes. So if you attend a high school with a student population of less than 1150 (which is ~59% of high schools in Texas' UIL) and you've run a 9:45, you're considered really good.
99.9% of the world's population would consider 9:45 outstanding.
In fact 99.9% of the world would consider 10:45 outstanding for either a man or a woman.
Maybe this is one of the biggest problems in our sport, we are too stupid as a group to realize
how wonderful we are!!!
99.9% would consider 15 minutes for 2 miles really good and 12 minutes outstanding.
Do you guys know what a hobby is? I spend about 6 hours per week training to race 9:45 on a Saturday as a hobby jogger. Elites train about 6 hours per day to run 13:10 on Saturday. I spend Saturday afternoons making furniture for my house. I am a hobby woodworker. Master craftsmen construct beautiful furniture and they spend 50 hours per week doing it.
I consider hobby joggers:
ppl who hobby jog with music and a phone and earplugs
In workouts if you just jog the whole fast workouts.
Ppl who "run" just to loose weight then after they reach their goal weight they stop.
Ppl who never time themselves or just not care.
No you're not a hobby jogger.
Brian Sell was a 10:10 2-miler in high school and ended up running in the 2008 Olympics.