Would Adams State win NCAA D1 Nationals in XC?

Name the multiple big time meets West Region.

Oregon may be one. Name the multiple other meets that Adams State wants to race at and they are not welcome.

Big Ten Rules the World wrote:

An average P5 school, Minnesota, has ACT ranges for the 25th percentile to 75th percentile of 26-31. Adams ranges are 17-22. So the elite kid at Adams with a 23 or 24 ACT would be the very dumbest kid at Minnesota, and only then because he ran 4:15 in HS.

This is the most important point. The argument is apples and oranges. Adams guys aren’t at D1 schools mostly because they didn’t have the opportunity.

More accurately, they probably didn’t meet initial eligibility standards either by GPA/test scores, or were missing core class requirements, which is as easy as not taking English senior year and falling behind in math. Or they simply were too old of foreigners who would have very limited D1 seasons left.

I’m sure many had grades to find some D1 to let them in. But they would’ve been academic redshirts, or non qualifiers (aka no scholarship first year), or wouldn’t have 4 seasons of eligibility.

So suggesting that Adams doesn’t get fair credit for how good they are compared to D1 schools is maybe backwards. I think Adams gets too much credit for the guys they have considering how easy it must be to recruit when they have access to a pool of athletes completely outside of the D1 pool AND athletes inside the D1 pool. If you’re not D1 eligible why wouldn’t you go to those few established D2 powerhouses? It should be easy to end up with a couple of studs from around the world every year.

Good analysis. I don’t think people realized how low their strandards are.

If you have ever spent much time in Alamosa, then you would know how hard it must be for them to recruit athletes to come there. The town is nothing to write home about.

I don't think that Adams would win the D. I meet, but they would be a consistent top 10/15 team. Damon Martin is one of the best coaches in collegiate CC/T&F, and does an incredible job peaking his athletes for championships every year. While the academic standards at Adams may not be the greatest, it is ridiculous to think that many of the top tier D. I teams cannot get athletes admitted who's grades are not of the highest quality. The differences between D. I and D. II academic eligibility standards are not as drastic as people are implying. CC/T&F may not get as many academic "gifts" as football and basketball, most top programs still have flexibility with admissions. Lastly, it was pretty funny to read the post from "Right on the mark" criticizing Adams' academic standards, with the word "standard" spelled incorrectly ( "I don’t think people realized how low their strandards are.").

I attended Adams Strate.

Most Power 5 schools aren't going to reach down for a 9:20 HS runner with a 19 ACT while Adams will take them all day long. Now if a guy runs 8:50, maybe a Power 5 will be willing to bend the standard a bit but they normally won't.

Joe Stalin wrote:

Name the multiple big time meets West Region.

Oregon may be one. Name the multiple other meets that Adams State wants to race at and they are not welcome.

Yes and nuttycombe

West region wrote:

Joe Stalin wrote:

Name the multiple big time meets West Region.

Oregon may be one. Name the multiple other meets that Adams State wants to race at and they are not welcome.

Yes and nuttycombe

Nuttycombe results for the last 3 years show only D1 teams ran in both the A and B races and the Open races.

It appears no D2 teams competed in either race. To summarize no D2 teams were invited to compete in either race.

Adan’s State was not singled out due to being a threat to D1 teams as you imply.

Your answer then is incorrect West Coast.

They would take 4th. Crunch the numbers boys.

They would lose to NAU, BYU, Portland, Wisconsin, ISU, Oregon, Stanford, Washington, CU, Boise, and Notre Dame. They would be a competition with the 10-20th place teams.