Kate Murphy Retires From Collegiate Running

She trained very hard. You're telling me if she didn't train hard this still would have happened?

Too much too soon causes compartment syndrome. I've coached girls with it before. It's the ones that get super serious and go overboard that it crops up in. Sure certain people are predisposed to it but with smart training it can be avoided.

What genetic condition does Sarah Baxter, Mary Cain or Claudia Lane have that caused them to not lose their seemingly insane talent?

Indoor? wrote:

What genetic condition does Sarah Baxter, Mary Cain or Claudia Lane have that caused them to not lose their seemingly insane talent?

Puberty

"Young Africans don't have this problem." That is not accurate. We never hear of the athletes who are close to making it but then are sidelined by injuries. By the time a new African runner mounts the stage they have proved to be fortunate enough to not be hampered by injuries.

This happens way too often. The sport needs to step back and weigh the serious health effects of competitive running on girls and young women with an eye to establishing limits on training and the amount of racing they can do in high school and college.

People are assigning blame for this on UO or whatever. Absolutely everyone knew someone (I knew several)who was potential Olympian in their teens who got derailed by injury (or loss of interest for whatever reason). Hilarious that people are writing her career off. If she is a 'real runner' she will wait a bit, try again, and if injury hits again, find another sport. What's the big deal?

Indoor? wrote:

She trained very hard. You're telling me if she didn't train hard this still would have happened?

Too much too soon causes compartment syndrome. I've coached girls with it before. It's the ones that get super serious and go overboard that it crops up in. Sure certain people are predisposed to it but with smart training it can be avoided.

What genetic condition does Sarah Baxter, Mary Cain or Claudia Lane have that caused them to not lose their seemingly insane talent?

This is not true at all. Those athletes were going to get compartment syndrome anyways, they just happened to get it earlier in their careers because they trained more seriously.

She could be a mid 20's post-college comeback story... sometimes that happens where young women just need a few years off to get right.

not at all uncommonality wrote:

Popliteal artery entrapment syndrome happens in cyclists enough that it's known to be thing in the sport. People complain that it's like they can only use one leg to ride. Often times surgery is successful, but sometimes it is not.

This is not an overuse injury at all. It's genetic. And it's heartbreaking to see someone's hopes be derailed by it. She'll be fine longterm, but you guys know how it is when you suddenly lose your first love, try to hang on and then realize it's over. It's horrible. It sucks the life out of you. I wish her the best and hope she realizes she'll love again.

Similar, but not the same thing as what is fairly common in cycling. Cyclists tend to have iliac (and/or femoral) artery endofibrosis caused by either the inguinal ligament compressing the artery or the artery kinking during hip flexion and cutting off blood supply to the leg. It is exacerbated by the position on the bike. I have first hand knowledge of this since I had 2 surgeries for iliac and femoral artery endofibrosis several years ago back when I was doing a lot of cycling and triathlons. It can take a long time to get back to normal after the surgery because of the muscle imbalances caused from all the time trying to train/race without adequate blood supply to your legs, so based on my expereince I can understand why she is still struggling with the effects from her injury and surgery.

Indoor? wrote:

Everyone keeps thinking we’ve had this long line of once in a generation talents but it seems like it’s more likely these girls aren’t that talented and just are working too extremely hard too early. .

Are you crazy? She ran 4:07 - of course she is VERY Talented. 99.9% of the female world could train their whole lives and not run that.

And people are blaming this on Oregon? Please. It's called puberty / welcome to the world of female teenage running (although in this case it actually may just be something different).

As much as I want to get into Tuohy, I'm waiting until she runs well at age 20.

Rojo, if you're going to bash female runners at least be intellectually honest and admit that many young male phenoms burn out too.

Didn’t one of their sprinters, MaryBeth Sant, also medically retire a couple of years ago (then transfer to Colorado State after graduaton and resume competing?)

Does she get to keep her scholarship? Was it full? If that's the case, it's not as bad.

CoachWag wrote:

Didn’t one of their sprinters, MaryBeth Sant, also medically retire a couple of years ago (then transfer to Colorado State after graduaton and resume competing?)

Yes, along with her boyfriend who took a medical from football. Then they broke up, transferred to different schools and both resumed competition.

I don't think the situations are correlated.

rojo wrote:

Indoor? wrote:

Everyone keeps thinking we’ve had this long line of once in a generation talents but it seems like it’s more likely these girls aren’t that talented and just are working too extremely hard too early. .

Are you crazy? She ran 4:07 - of course she is VERY Talented. 99.9% of the female world could train their whole lives and not run that.

And people are blaming this on Oregon? Please. It's called puberty / welcome to the world of female teenage running (although in this case it actually may just be something different).

As much as I want to get into Tuohy, I'm waiting until she runs well at age 20.

Rojo you might want to rephrase that last sentence.

rojo wrote:

Indoor? wrote:

Everyone keeps thinking we’ve had this long line of once in a generation talents but it seems like it’s more likely these girls aren’t that talented and just are working too extremely hard too early. .

Are you crazy? She ran 4:07 - of course she is VERY Talented. 99.9% of the female world could train their whole lives and not run that.

And people are blaming this on Oregon? Please. It's called puberty / welcome to the world of female teenage running (although in this case it actually may just be something different).

As much as I want to get into Tuohy, I'm waiting until she runs well at age 20.

I think Tuohy is a different kettle of fish than the other HS phenoms. Her running form indicates longevity. Lots of the other (including Lane & the girl at Cal) had "ordinary" running form and that is going to work against you long term.

Spot on, thanks for pointing this out for the sake of accuracy between the two sports.

Sounds to me like most of you, including Rojo think Kate’s situation has to do with puberty or overtraining or something along those lines. You guys are seeing what you want to see because it’s easier than actually reading the article and researching the condition, but you’re not talking about the reality of the situation.

Moo Goo wrote:

Does she get to keep her scholarship? Was it full? If that's the case, it's not as bad.

The school moves her scholarship to medical and she entitled to keep it. At least, this is how I've seen it handled by other schools. One football player I know showed up for his Freshman summer camp back in early August, took his physical and a heart defect was discovered ending his football career. The school (a football power) continued his scholarship as a medical one.

I have no knowledge of this situation but I'll go ahead and explain all the ways this is the direct result of this person's failings and the failings of an entire system of people I don't know.

Moo Goo wrote:

Does she get to keep her scholarship? Was it full? If that's the case, it's not as bad.

Being shifted to medical means she comes out of a different fund, and the team gets a scholarship back

So she will be funded. And now she can look after her health at her own pace.