They should let Tuohy run against the guys

7 boys on competing teams broke 15:45 at NXN last year; 5 teams had 1. Purcellville had 2; 24 on competing teams broke 16:00. Purcellville's #3 was 15:48

2000 HS boys have run faster this year. She is great for a girls but can't compete with guys. She wouldn't make the squad of an NXN qualifying team. Yes let's continue the trend of allowing transgender HS runners to cross over until the categories cease to exist because if we do, we wouldn't even have heard of Tuohy.

Milton didn't even qualify for NXN last year but had 6 guys break 16 minutes. How would her 16:21 help any team win NXN? You are clueless.

clueless in GA wrote:

Milton didn't even qualify for NXN last year but had 6 guys break 16 minutes. How would her 16:21 help any team win NXN? You are clueless.

uhh she would get the guys to run behind her with her ass ??

That’s news to me wrote:

What ways are the genders not equal? Are women better at anything than men? Should we have an equivalent category for men then?

Not sure if you understand basic physiology but women and men differ in strength, speed, skeletal mass, the list goes on and on.

Duane wrote:

7 boys on competing teams broke 15:45 at NXN last year; 5 teams had 1. Purcellville had 2; 24 on competing teams broke 16:00. Purcellville's #3 was 15:48

What's your point? I never said this was my team last year. Dude, you need to get a better historical understanding of HS cc across the US. There have been LOTS of teams (yes, teams ran cc before nike nationals) that have had top 3, top 4, top 5 all under 16 minutes.

1. I'm guessing Tuohy could take off 10-15sec if she ran and competed with the guys, so that would be super fun to see.

2. She doesn't need to make the top 7 of an boys NXN contender to validate this performance, or her standing as the best high school cross country runner in the country (male or female).

3. Some of the posters on this site are really struggling to come to terms with the fact that a high school girl is faster than they are.

Bonkers wrote:

3. Some of the posters on this site are really struggling to come to terms with the fact that a high school girl is faster than they are.

Not sure if I'm one you are referring to, but I will unashamedly say that KT is WAYYY better than I was in HS. In fact, her 10th grade indoor 5k is only 7 sec slower than my altime pr for the 5k. She truly is unbelievable. My comments were merely to add perspective and correct those that seemed to think it is unusual to have multiple male runners sub 16. The truth is KT would make the top 5 of any team in the us. She would be #1 on most, top 2 or 3 on 99.9% of them.

Wish she could come run on my team... We could use her help lol

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There have been LOTS of teams (yes, teams ran cc before nike nationals) that have had top 3, top 4, top 5 all under 16 minutes.

Are we talking sub-16 5k on any XC course?

Or are we talking about sub-16 5k on the HOLMDEL course? Big difference.

She likely would have been top 4 on most - if not all - of the boys teams

*top 4 on boys teams at Holmdel

clueless in GA wrote:

Milton didn't even qualify for NXN last year but had 6 guys break 16 minutes. How would her 16:21 help any team win NXN? You are clueless.

Holmdel is a very challenging course.

In the boys race result merge, Tuohy would have placed around 17th.

Let's look at facts

Tuohy would have been #1 runner for Westfield, which won the A race this weekend

If we look at Sophomore Tuohy at NXN last year, she would have been top 7 of every team except for Purceville and Ahwatukee.

She would have been:

#7 Manlius

#6 Denver

#7 Downer North

#5 Springville

#6 Temecula

#5 Lincroft

#6 Mountain View

#6 Carmel

If you look at the bottom of the field to 22nd place Western Cary, she would have been #2 of that team.

Fast forward one year, I don't think that there is more than a handful of teams where she would be ranked 4th or worse.

She would win state in oklahoma

According to todays weekly Tully ratings, she'd be #3 on a pretty nice FM team.

I'm surprised so many people are interested in this thread. How she would run against boys is as meaningful as contemplating how Serena would do against male players or what percentage of men would get their asses kicked by Ronda Rousey.

Can't we just wait until NXN or FL?

SDSU Aztec wrote:

I'm surprised so many people are interested in this thread. How she would run against boys is as meaningful as contemplating how Serena would do against male players or what percentage of men would get their asses kicked by Ronda Rousey.

Can't we just wait until NXN or FL?

I think that it's relevant. I wonder how many girls would be running as fast as Tuohy if they simply removed the artificial gender categories and allowed girls to compete equally against boys.

She is still just the fastest in her category of running just like the best masters runner or best junior. But when they rise to the level of being able to compete head to head with the best, then people get interested. If she was the best overall HS runner, every news outlet would jump on the story. They have done that with female football kickers or baseball pitchers. That’s why this thread is so interesting. When track rolls around, we won’t be debating as much because we can compare times.

YFTfyfyfftyf wrote:

I wonder how many girls would be running as fast as Tuohy if they simply removed the artificial gender categories and allowed girls to compete equally against boys.

None.