What is the equivalent to being a 2:20-2:30 marathoner in other sports?

Are we scrubs wrote:

What is the equivalent to being a 2:20-2:30 marathoner in other sports?

i know 2:29 guys who didn't start running until after college. 2:30 has no professional sports equivalent, because it isn't special.

2:30 to me has always been like the high school boy 4:24ish mile of road racing. So many do it. Nothing extraordinary.

2:20 however, that's more special. That's like a high schooler running under 4:10 in the mile or under 9:10 in the 3200m

look at how many dudes run sub 4:00 miles in college and don't become professional runners. that's so much more difficult than running a 2:30 marathon.

2:30 is like making the D2 college basketball team but not being a starter

another runner wrote:

There are 300 players in the NBA , 1200 players in the MLB, and 1696 players in the NFL.

The equivalent times according to the IAAF from 2017 would be:

2:12:21, 2:22:39, 2:26:58

https://www.iaaf.org/records/toplists/road-running/marathon/outdoor/men/senior/2017?regionType=world&drop=regular&fiftyPercentRule=regular&page=17&bestResultsOnly=true

Then you need to factor in all the college runners who would continue running if it had as much money in it as the other sports. Also you would have to factor in the 5K and 10K guys who would move up to the marathon if it had that much more prestige. I would guess that both of those factors would greatly change those numbers.

Factor all the guys in football who were in NFL training camps but got cut, and your comparisons go out the window.

For women or men?

Ben L Wrong wrote:

Exhibit B: Martynas Pocius, class of 2009

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/martynas-pocius-1.html

Almost the last guy in Duke's bench during his 4 seasons, and after that, he played in the best European teams, starter in Lithuanian NT, world medalist, and now, months after retirement, he got a job in the Denver Nuggets.

Marty was and is a straight baller and was a 4 star recruit:

The dudes like Todd basically went un-recruited

Big difference

another runner wrote:

There are 300 players in the NBA , 1200 players in the MLB, and 1696 players in the NFL.

The equivalent times according to the IAAF from 2017 would be:

2:12:21, 2:22:39, 2:26:58

https://www.iaaf.org/records/toplists/road-running/marathon/outdoor/men/senior/2017?regionType=world&drop=regular&fiftyPercentRule=regular&page=17&bestResultsOnly=true

Then you need to factor in all the college runners who would continue running if it had as much money in it as the other sports. Also you would have to factor in the 5K and 10K guys who would move up to the marathon if it had that much more prestige. I would guess that both of those factors would greatly change those numbers.

Yes, that table is not worthy of using for comparsions. You are taking a table of guys who ran LAST year, and comparing it to current NFL rosters. Not everyone runs a marathon every year. If you take the guy who can run 2:20, but just did not last year it would be a much larger number than those who actually ran 2:20.

2:20 is a decent time, but it's not all that great. It's definitely not MLB worthy. It might be end of the bench worthy for NFL. I'm not sure it G league worthy.

The fact is US marathoning sucks. It has for 20 years or so. Yes, I sound like geezer saying this, but 2:20 was not even a great local time back in my day. Sure it was decent, but local races in most large cities were won in 2:14 or better. Even rural races often broke 2:20.

The current crop of US 5k to 1/2 marathon far exceeds what they used to run back in the day (mid 70-'s to mid 80's), but (except for Rupp) it is far behind in the marathon.

2:30 is not even semi-pro. It's the guys playing BB in the park on weekends (decent game, but not to be confused with anyone good).

another runner wrote:

There are 300 players in the NBA , 1200 players in the MLB, and 1696 players in the NFL.

The equivalent times according to the IAAF from 2017 would be:

2:12:21, 2:22:39, 2:26:58

.

That's not a good way to think about it at all. Imagine if there was a guaranteed salary of $450,000 (NFL minimum) for running a 2:26:58 marathon as a man. I think the number of 2:26's would go about by at least a factor of 10. Not many dudes' bother to run 2:25 as there is little to no money in it.

By 2:26:58 is only like a 15:05 5k according to McMillan. Let's call it 15:00.

The 500th D1 time last year was 14:46. Considering #400 was 14:38 there could be close to 1000 collegian men who could do it. Now not all of them will upgrade to the marathon well but whatever. There is no way that 2:26 is equivelent to being in the NFL.

In the 2017 Boston Marathon the top 25 Americans ran 2:26:58 or faster (34 people broke 2:30). The Boston is the best of the best... It's also important to factor out non-americans, especially if comparing to the NFL which has virtually no appeal to any country outside america. there are 32 teams and each team has 53 people on the roster. That's 1664 professional NFL players in the league at all times. and ya'll are trying to say breaking 2:30 is nothing special?!?

In swimming 1500m for men, geting under 15:00 will get you in the finals of world championships. I would say 2:20 in maraton is equivent to 15:25 in 1500m swimming. 2:30 corresponds to 16:00 which is the level of top triathletes.

another runner wrote:

There are 300 players in the NBA , 1200 players in the MLB, and 1696 players in the NFL.

The equivalent times according to the IAAF from 2017 would be:

2:12:21, 2:22:39, 2:26:58

https://www.iaaf.org/records/toplists/road-running/marathon/outdoor/men/senior/2017?regionType=world&drop=regular&fiftyPercentRule=regular&page=17&bestResultsOnly=true

Then you need to factor in all the college runners who would continue running if it had as much money in it as the other sports. Also you would have to factor in the 5K and 10K guys who would move up to the marathon if it had that much more prestige. I would guess that both of those factors would greatly change those numbers.

There are also basketball players good enough to be on NBA teams, but choose to play overseas. So the worst NBA player is not the 300th best player in the world. The same for baseball.

rojo wrote:

another runner wrote:

There are 300 players in the NBA , 1200 players in the MLB, and 1696 players in the NFL.

The equivalent times according to the IAAF from 2017 would be:

2:12:21, 2:22:39, 2:26:58

.

That's not a good way to think about it at all. Imagine if there was a guaranteed salary of $450,000 (NFL minimum) for running a 2:26:58 marathon as a man. I think the number of 2:26's would go about by at least a factor of 10. Not many dudes' bother to run 2:25 as there is little to no money in it.

By 2:26:58 is only like a 15:05 5k according to McMillan. Let's call it 15:00.

The 500th D1 time last year was 14:46. Considering #400 was 14:38 there could be close to 1000 collegian men who could do it. Now not all of them will upgrade to the marathon well but whatever. There is no way that 2:26 is equivelent to being in the NFL.

And if you would have read the rest of my post you would have seen that I also said that...

According to Gwen Jorgensen it is worth a Olympic Medal in the marathon

It's fast. Anyone who has run 2:20-2:30 has my respect.

rojo wrote:

another runner wrote:

There are 300 players in the NBA , 1200 players in the MLB, and 1696 players in the NFL.

The equivalent times according to the IAAF from 2017 would be:

2:12:21, 2:22:39, 2:26:58

.

That's not a good way to think about it at all. Imagine if there was a guaranteed salary of $450,000 (NFL minimum) for running a 2:26:58 marathon as a man. I think the number of 2:26's would go about by at least a factor of 10. Not many dudes' bother to run 2:25 as there is little to no money in it.

By 2:26:58 is only like a 15:05 5k according to McMillan. Let's call it 15:00.

The 500th D1 time last year was 14:46. Considering #400 was 14:38 there could be close to 1000 collegian men who could do it. Now not all of them will upgrade to the marathon well but whatever. There is no way that 2:26 is equivelent to being in the NFL.

Well it IS equivalent...not equivelent though. We aren't talking about potential but actuality. Like how 2:20 wouldn't win a local marathon in the 80s but will win most in the US right now despite the ease of a 2:20.

Who do you think you are? I am! wrote:

Easy lane conditions...... wrote:

Bowling

Averaging 220-230 in a local league.

Sport or house pattern?

8 board wall

yall r ignant wrote:

In the 2017 Boston Marathon the top 25 Americans ran 2:26:58 or faster (34 people broke 2:30). The Boston is the best of the best... It's also important to factor out non-americans, especially if comparing to the NFL which has virtually no appeal to any country outside america. there are 32 teams and each team has 53 people on the roster. That's 1664 professional NFL players in the league at all times. and ya'll are trying to say breaking 2:30 is nothing special?!?

2:30 is nothing special, unless you are a woman, and even then a 2:30 runner is a B-list professional and not competitive in major races. Sure, there are a couple thousand NFL players, but they play a lot of different positions. There are a lot of running/track and field events and marathon is just one of them. Moreover, football is lucrative sport with a massive participation rate.

In chess, 2:20 is probably equivalent to a good International Master or very low level International Grand Master.

2:30 is Fide Master or weak International Master.

Chess is played worldwide by a lot of people while there is very little money in the sport.

NBA, MLB, etc. are us sports nobody really cares outside of the US and there is a lot of money. So it does not really compares, especially in terms of talent pool.

Football (or soccer) is a much better comparison than any American sport. With no stats, just gut feelings, I'd say a 2:20 guy could probably be a low-level Premier League player. 2:30 is a bit harder, maybe MLS level? Maybe worse though, but considering there are ~50,000 pro footballers, even taking into account the relative size of the two sports, 2:30 could probably get you a low-level football contract (because there's so much more money in football relative to its size).

Quad cities marathon was Sunday. Winner was 2:14 and 8th was 2:22. There are many no name marathons that have multiple guys breaking 2:20.

Kipchoge = Tom Brady

Galen Rupp = Ben Roethlisberger

About 300 other East Africans = Everyone else in the NFL

Jared Ward - Joe Flacco

Sage Canaday - Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite

2:20-30 marathoner - NCAA guys who couldn't crack it in the NFL