THE CRAZIEST THING ABOUT ELIUD KIPCHOGE'S WORLD RECORD.

Chris0213 wrote:

The greatest thing about Eliud Kipchoge's World Record today is that his 2:01:39 marathon translates to a 12:41 5000M performance.

His 5000M PB?

12:46.53 ran in Rome on 2nd July 2004, which ranked as no. 4 all-time up until recently, when Barega and Gebrhiwet's stellar runs bumped him to no. 6 all-time.

Think about that for a moment. Over a span of 14 years, he not only managed to translate his track PB to the marathon, but he also managed to produce a much better performance over a distance 8x longer. Perhaps proof that it's possible to get better as you go into your 30s?

Insane. #GOAT.

Yes, very insane.

Chris0213 wrote:

The greatest thing about Eliud Kipchoge's World Record today is that his 2:01:39 marathon translates to a 12:41 5000M performance.

His 5000M PB?

12:46.53 ran in Rome on 2nd July 2004, which ranked as no. 4 all-time up until recently, when Barega and Gebrhiwet's stellar runs bumped him to no. 6 all-time.

Think about that for a moment. Over a span of 14 years, he not only managed to translate his track PB to the marathon, but he also managed to produce a much better performance over a distance 8x longer. Perhaps proof that it's possible to get better as you go into your 30s?

Insane. #GOAT.

By this reasoning, 2:02:57 converts to 12:49. So despite the crazy explosion in marathon talent and the all-out time-trial style racing (which we don’t get much in the 5000 these days), before today no one had run better than 6 guys did in the Paris DL 2012?

It’s hard to know the relative competitiveness of the marathon and 5k, so we can’t make a precise conversion. But I would put Kipchoge today around 12:34; that would put Kimetto at 12:42 and Bekele, Mutai, Kipsang in the 12:42-44 range.

The performance translation formulas are only as good as their fit to actual human performance data. Since no single human will hold all the WR from 800m to Marathon, its impossible to know if the formula really fits human performance. Instead the formulas fit a cross section of different humans and their best performances. So the accuracy of any formula is largely subjective.

The only way to rank someone's range is to see how close they are to the WR across multiple events. You are right that Kipchoge's range and longevity is truly amazing.

The only empirical way to judge a WR performance is to see by how much it beat a previous WR and how long the WR stands, while also considering how often the event is contested by the world's best athletes. So in a sense, you only truly know how good a WR is after it's been broken, it's kind of a Schrödinger's cat situation.

stupid thread

Agreed that this is dumb. I would expect him to be one of the top 5k runners of all time.

The real craziest thing about this run was the fact that he ran completely alone for 17k, and his two trusted pace setters fell off the pace at 15k after some rather awful splits in the early portion of the race. The focus Kipchoge has is unreal. He was waving and yelling to pacesetters, orchestrating his own race, and I believe I recall seeing the kilometer after the last pacesetter stepped off was a 2:49. His race sense is incredible. He really got it done today. No drafting, no multi-million dollar scientific budget. Just dirt roads in Kenya, years of consistency, and incredible mindfulness. Seeing how happy he was coming across the finish line was a great reminder of why I love this sport. What an unreal performance. All of us scrubs can no longer use the "oh there wasn't good competition" excuse anymore.

Chris0213 wrote:

The greatest thing about Eliud Kipchoge's World Record today is that his 2:01:39 marathon translates to a 12:41 5000M performance.

His 5000M PB?

12:46.53 ran in Rome on 2nd July 2004, which ranked as no. 4 all-time up until recently, when Barega and Gebrhiwet's stellar runs bumped him to no. 6 all-time.

Think about that for a moment. Over a span of 14 years, he not only managed to translate his track PB to the marathon, but he also managed to produce a much better performance over a distance 8x longer. Perhaps proof that it's possible to get better as you go into your 30s?

Insane. #GOAT.

Who comes up with these stupid formulas?

Predictor wrote:

Agreed that this is dumb. I would expect him to be one of the top 5k runners of all time.

I bet he could have outkicked Bekele and El G in the 5000

Chris0213 wrote:

The greatest thing about Eliud Kipchoge's World Record today is that his 2:01:39 marathon translates to a 12:41 5000M performance.

His 5000M PB?

12:46.53 ran in Rome on 2nd July 2004, which ranked as no. 4 all-time up until recently, when Barega and Gebrhiwet's stellar runs bumped him to no. 6 all-time.

Think about that for a moment. Over a span of 14 years, he not only managed to translate his track PB to the marathon, but he also managed to produce a much better performance over a distance 8x longer. Perhaps proof that it's possible to get better as you go into your 30s?

Insane. #GOAT.

naah, 201 is up there with bolt records, the effort translates 200.50 or something.

it's nothing qt all like the recent 5k 1240x in terms of quality.

in the 100m you only have to get it perfect for 10 seconds, not 2 hours....

even the 5 k is 12 x minutes.

no the 201 is in the highest of stratosphere's..

dusty_xc wrote:

The real craziest thing about this run was the fact that he ran completely alone for 17k, and his two trusted pace setters fell off the pace at 15k after some rather awful splits in the early portion of the race. The focus Kipchoge has is unreal. He was waving and yelling to pacesetters, orchestrating his own race, and I believe I recall seeing the kilometer after the last pacesetter stepped off was a 2:49. His race sense is incredible. He really got it done today. No drafting, no multi-million dollar scientific budget. Just dirt roads in Kenya, years of consistency, and incredible mindfulness. Seeing how happy he was coming across the finish line was a great reminder of why I love this sport. What an unreal performance. All of us scrubs can no longer use the "oh there wasn't good competition" excuse anymore.

+1

He's an absolute best, not just physically, but also mentally.

Should read *beast not *best, though obviously he's also the best.

Nah, I think marathon to 5k equivalent conversions are pretty dubious. Just loose correlations. They take different training, different types of fitness, and reward different kinds of talent. No doubt the longevity of Kipchoge's excellence is impressive, but asking whether he's better or worse than before is comparing apples and oranges.

Plus, I don't think anyone doubts that it's possible for distance runners to get better into their 30's, do they? Especially marathoners.

You haven't factored that conditions were not perfect today. I ran it. It was quite sunny when buildings didn't provide cover, and while not terribly hot, hotter than optimal to the point that many people were drenched in sweat by mile 5. There is no question to me that the conditions had to have slowed Kipchoge and he was capable of even sub-2:01 today in cloud cover and lower temps.

dusty_xc wrote:

The real craziest thing about this run was the fact that he ran completely alone for 17k, and his two trusted pace setters fell off the pace at 15k after some rather awful splits in the early portion of the race. The focus Kipchoge has is unreal. He was waving and yelling to pacesetters, orchestrating his own race, and I believe I recall seeing the kilometer after the last pacesetter stepped off was a 2:49. His race sense is incredible. He really got it done today. No drafting, no multi-million dollar scientific budget. Just dirt roads in Kenya, years of consistency, and incredible mindfulness. Seeing how happy he was coming across the finish line was a great reminder of why I love this sport. What an unreal performance. All of us scrubs can no longer use the "oh there wasn't good competition" excuse anymore.

Yeah sure, just a simple Kenyan boy...

No multi-million dollar budget? You think Nike has just spent a couple thousands on his fancy shoes?

This whole thing reeks of a staged Nike event time finally upset Adidas. I think Kipchoge is not even fully aware how the cards were stacked in his favour....

I remember when Eliud was a teenager blasting 5Ks and short course XC, then he won a senior mens long course race and I was shocked he went for the longer distance. The pictures from that finish looked like the most extreme suffering from a winner I have ever seen! I thought for sure he will stick to the track from now on!

According to the IAAF Scoring table, his performance is worth 1316 points. That performance is worth about a 12:31 5000m on the track!

I hereby invoke calculo to save us all from the great temptation of nonsensical claims!

So when the 5000m world record was first 12:37, or 12:39, what was the marathon record. I think was 2:06:05, or maybe it was already 2:05 by that point. What was that "equivalent to?" 12:55? 13:00?

What's even more remarkable is that Kipchoge's marathon world record is equivalent to an 8:03:00 100 mile. That's 4:50 pace for 100 miles! In other words, Kipchoge is a 2:06 guy x 4.