2:04 marathoner Ryan Hall's records will live on another year

What is Bill Rodgers' PR?

How about every dweeb you work with that quotes PRs from Boston?

Thank you.

The wind and point to point. 1:20ish faster than London. Nothing being taken away, but Rodgers would have run a lot faster than that in 1979 had he had that strong of a wind to push him.

I don't care about Rupp and I'm not a fan boy. He's a very outstanding runner, but I do believe that he has something "extra" given to him to boost his performance. What, I don't know. But it's hard to believe that they are 100% on the up and up and playing within the rule book...which disappoints me as a fan. I don't care what the Africans are doing. When they get caught, they'll pay the price, whatever it may be.

agaga wrote:

What is Bill Rodgers' PR?

How about every dweeb you work with that quotes PRs from Boston?

Thank you.

It's 2:09:26/27 from Boston in 1979.

Sorry that you work with dweebs and you have a slow pr, but that's not anyone's fault but your own.

Thank you.

Agree with Scorpion wrote:

Anyway, to say that Ryan's 2:04:58 wasn't even in the top 5 american performances is dumb. It was great to watch. He took the race by the balls from the gun and dared the rest of the field to chase him. Only a few survived. Mutai, who as we've discussed recently was having one of the best years of all time for a marathoner, Moses Mosop, who clearly had the talent with his 30km WR attempts (on the track) but as Canova has said, had many things going on outside of training that ruined his chances, and Gebre Gebramaim, who we know was strong enough to win the NYC marathon.

It's not dumb - it's accurate. Here are some of the superior American marathon performances from the last decade:

Meb 2014 Boston

Shalane 2017 New York

Rupp 2018 Prague

Rupp 2017 Chicago

Rupp 2016 Rio

Desi 2018 Boston

Meb 2012 London

It was great to watch - you are correct there!

RitzisRacing wrote:The wind and point to point. 1:20ish faster than London. Nothing being taken away, but Rodgers would have run a lot faster than that in 1979 had he had that strong of a wind to push him.

There was an interview with Ryan, I think it may have been that FloTrack video of him doing a long run in Flagstaff 3 weeks out from Boston 2011, where he said "I asked Bill how did he run that fast", and he said Bill said "we had a wicked tailwind". Then Ryan went on to say that Bill stopped 5 times to tie his shoes and still ran 2:09, and that Ryan was waiting for one of those years in Boston where he could drop a really fast time. So yeah, the wind did aid them, both Bill and Ryan, I believe that, but it still takes guts and confidence to attempt something like that, going out at WR pace on a difficult course. And to say that Bill could've run faster, I'm not so sure, sounds like he DID have a great weather year when he ran 2:09.

Here, watch for yourself. The part about Bill Rodgers is near the end, just after the 11 minute mark:

Where's Ryan's 2:09 at the trials? Or his 2:06:17 in London? Or even his 2:08 the year before? You seem to be leaving a bunch of his accomplishments out?

And c'mon, Desi in Boston last year? Ok, great to see, but that's not an amazing performance. That was a fluke. I'd throw Ryan's races in there before Desi or Rupp's Prague.

Agree with Scorpion wrote:

hypocrisy spotter wrote:

It's not dumb - it's accurate. Here are some of the superior American marathon performances from the last decade:

Meb 2014 Boston

Shalane 2017 New York

Rupp 2018 Prague

Rupp 2017 Chicago

Rupp 2016 Rio

Desi 2018 Boston

Meb 2012 London

It was great to watch - you are correct there!

Where's Ryan's 2:09 at the trials? Or his 2:06:17 in London? Or even his 2:08 the year before? You seem to be leaving a bunch of his accomplishments out?

And c'mon, Desi in Boston last year? Ok, great to see, but that's not an amazing performance. That was a fluke. I'd throw Ryan's races in there before Desi or Rupp's Prague.

right , he puts Desi's win up there, and Desi was aided big time by the conditions and weather. and was truly a fluke win.

and no Khalid K., and his great victory over Haile in London while breaking the WW!!!

Meb in London 2012 over Khalid in london breaking the WR and beating Haile????

Rupp in Rio getting destroyed by Kipchoge after he put the hammer down?

Desi's overrated fluke win in Boston?

and big AL's "duel in the sun" victory in boston??

my bad, you're new to all of this

Scorpion_runner wrote:

good lord. Hall has the fastest marathon time by an american runner. No other american in the history of marathon running has run 2:04. period.

There is nothing to talk about here.

IAAF rules say downhill courses are only eligible for ranking purposes, so the time just doesn’t count. Use it as a notch in his belt if you want, but don’t be misleading and paint it as an actual 2:04.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

hypocrisy spotter wrote:

It's not dumb - it's accurate. Here are some of the superior American marathon performances from the last decade:

Meb 2014 Boston

Shalane 2017 New York

Rupp 2018 Prague

Rupp 2017 Chicago

Rupp 2016 Rio

Desi 2018 Boston

Meb 2012 London

It was great to watch - you are correct there!

Meb in London 2012 over Khalid in london breaking the WR and beating Haile????

Rupp in Rio getting destroyed by Kipchoge after he put the hammer down?

Desi's overrated fluke win in Boston?

and big AL's "duel in the sun" victory in boston??

my bad, you're new to all of this

correction: you didn't put big Al's "duel in the sun" victory in boston?? That should be in everyone's top 5 american marathon races, might even be number 1!

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Agree with Scorpion wrote:

Where's Ryan's 2:09 at the trials? Or his 2:06:17 in London? Or even his 2:08 the year before? You seem to be leaving a bunch of his accomplishments out?

And c'mon, Desi in Boston last year? Ok, great to see, but that's not an amazing performance. That was a fluke. I'd throw Ryan's races in there before Desi or Rupp's Prague.

right , he puts Desi's win up there, and Desi was aided big time by the conditions and weather. and was truly a fluke win.

and no Khalid K., and his great victory over Haile in London while breaking the WW!!!

Are you guys incapable of using a calendar or do you just have the reading comprehension of a 4 year-old?

Ryan's 2:09 at the trials: If you're talking about 2012 he lost, if you're talking about 2008 it's not within the last decade.

Ryan's 2:06:17 in London: Not within the last decade.

Ryan's 2:08 in London: Not within the last decade.

KK London WR: Not within the last decade.

Not true wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

good lord. Hall has the fastest marathon time by an american runner. No other american in the history of marathon running has run 2:04. period.

There is nothing to talk about here.

IAAF rules say downhill courses are only eligible for ranking purposes, so the time just doesn’t count. Use it as a notch in his belt if you want, but don’t be misleading and paint it as an actual 2:04.

so that means Mutai and Mosop's time don't count either. So tell Canova and the rest of the world to stop using them and acknowledging them.

* rolls eyes*

Scorpion_runner wrote:

hypocrisy spotter wrote:

It's not dumb - it's accurate. Here are some of the superior American marathon performances from the last decade:

Meb 2014 Boston

Shalane 2017 New York

Rupp 2018 Prague

Rupp 2017 Chicago

Rupp 2016 Rio

Desi 2018 Boston

Meb 2012 London

It was great to watch - you are correct there!

Meb in London 2012 over Khalid in london breaking the WR and beating Haile????

Rupp in Rio getting destroyed by Kipchoge after he put the hammer down?

Desi's overrated fluke win in Boston?

and big AL's "duel in the sun" victory in boston??

my bad, you're new to all of this

Again, your reading comprehension is as bad as your knowledge of the sport. Look up "decade" in the dictionary.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

so that means Mutai and Mosop's time don't count either. So tell Canova and the rest of the world to stop using them and acknowledging them.

* rolls eyes*

Yep, they don’t count. “Canova and the rest of the world” are in the wrong, per the IAAF.

hypocrisy spotter wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Meb in London 2012 over Khalid in london breaking the WR and beating Haile????

Rupp in Rio getting destroyed by Kipchoge after he put the hammer down?

Desi's overrated fluke win in Boston?

and big AL's "duel in the sun" victory in boston??

my bad, you're new to all of this

Again, your reading comprehension is as bad as your knowledge of the sport. Look up "decade" in the dictionary.

that is not what you said!

"I watched it live. Not in the top 5 American marathon performances in the last decade, let alone "one of the greatest marathons ever"

now you're changing it to decade!

you said TOP 5 AMERICAN MARATHON PERFORMANCES

Scorpion_runner wrote:

hypocrisy spotter wrote:

Again, your reading comprehension is as bad as your knowledge of the sport. Look up "decade" in the dictionary.

that is not what you said!

"I watched it live. Not in the top 5 American marathon performances in the last decade, let alone "one of the greatest marathons ever"

now you're changing it to decade!

you said TOP 5 AMERICAN MARATHON PERFORMANCES

Okay, my mistake. you did say last decade. I'll give you that. I overlooked that.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

hypocrisy spotter wrote:

Again, your reading comprehension is as bad as your knowledge of the sport. Look up "decade" in the dictionary.

that is not what you said!

"I watched it live. Not in the top 5 American marathon performances in the last decade, let alone "one of the greatest marathons ever"

now you're changing it to decade!

you said TOP 5 AMERICAN MARATHON PERFORMANCES

Jesus Christ you can't even read your own quote. You are hopeless.

hypocrisy spotter wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

right , he puts Desi's win up there, and Desi was aided big time by the conditions and weather. and was truly a fluke win.

and no Khalid K., and his great victory over Haile in London while breaking the WW!!!

Are you guys incapable of using a calendar or do you just have the reading comprehension of a 4 year-old?

Ryan's 2:09 at the trials: If you're talking about 2012 he lost, if you're talking about 2008 it's not within the last decade.

Ryan's 2:06:17 in London: Not within the last decade.

Ryan's 2:08 in London: Not within the last decade.

KK London WR: Not within the last decade.

but the fact still remains that you put rupp getting thrashed by Kipchoge in your list.

and no Nathan Ritz's 2:07 time which was the third fastest american time at that time.? shakes head.

and again Desi's boston win? The biggest fluke of them all.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

hypocrisy spotter wrote:

Are you guys incapable of using a calendar or do you just have the reading comprehension of a 4 year-old?

Ryan's 2:09 at the trials: If you're talking about 2012 he lost, if you're talking about 2008 it's not within the last decade.

Ryan's 2:06:17 in London: Not within the last decade.

Ryan's 2:08 in London: Not within the last decade.

KK London WR: Not within the last decade.

but the fact still remains that you put rupp getting thrashed by Kipchoge in your list.

and no Nathan Ritz's 2:07 time which was the third fastest american time at that time.? shakes head.

and again Desi's boston win? The biggest fluke of them all.

correction: Dathan.