The Three Ethiopians should make a 5000m WR attempt soon

Well, as you now might have seen already on the letsrun frontpage Kejelcha will run 1500 in Zagreb and we already knew he will run the HM in Copenhagen one week later. That's quite a spred - I'm beginning to think NOP has no idea what to do with this talent. He's almost as long as Kiprop, maybe they'll move him down to the 1500 if that works out best, or make him their new sub 2-project man if HM works out the best.

That'll be a fast race with HI and FI, Manangois etc.

NativeSon wrote:

Get:

1. Hadis Abadi

2. Mukhtar Edris

3. Yomif Kejelcha

4. Hagos Gebrhiwet

5. Molah Getaneh,

5. Yator Richard

6. Paul Chelimo

7. Stanley Mburu Waithaka

8. Edward Zakayo

9. The Ingebrigtsen brothers

10. Selemon Barega

Get great pace setters and you have a 12:30 race.

It's going to happen perhaps next year.

You'd just get a tactical race with all those.

Would be great to see a WR attempt though but sub 12:40 not happening this year.

The problem is that athletes are so much fixated on winning that the will ruin a race (with a wait and kick strategy) just for the win.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Hmm. Not in the same stratosphere? Ingebrigtsen's best is 3:31.18. Geb ran 12:39 and his best was 3:31.76i. Bekele ran 12:37 and his best was 3:32.35.

624 3:32.35 Kenenisa Bekele ETH 13.06.82 2 Shanghai 28.09.2007

Bad Wigins wrote:

3:31 is not in the same stratosphere as 12:45.

The big wild card here, and everyone who has ran competitively knows its true, is Gebrhiwet is vastly improved out of nowhere, even compared to a month ago. That means he has NOT peaked. That he has hardly raced at all only adds to the likelihood that he could go well below 12:45 within the next month if set up properly.

There is no next year! Maybe they'll get injured, maybe they'll burn out. Now or never.

This is just not comparable

Geb and Bekele were 5k/10k/marathon types and had the build. Jakob is a strict 1500m/5k type. It would be a lot more of an accurate comparison to look at all-time world times.

Jakob is 280th at 3:31.18, Gebrehewit is 10th at 12:45.82. It's not even close.

LM wrote:

With pacing to 4.6k Barega could only finish in 55 high, he didn't have much left. Can't see him finding 7 more seconds...especially with perfect weather conditions.

Did you watch the last 100m of that race? I would hardly say he didn't have much left.

the magic rat wrote:

LM wrote:

With pacing to 4.6k Barega could only finish in 55 high, he didn't have much left. Can't see him finding 7 more seconds...especially with perfect weather conditions.

Did you watch the last 100m of that race? I would hardly say he didn't have much left.

Yes fresh as a daisy, I wonder why? ?

Five is the magic number wrote:

Well, as you now might have seen already on the letsrun frontpage Kejelcha will run 1500 in Zagreb and we already knew he will run the HM in Copenhagen one week later. That's quite a spred - I'm beginning to think NOP has no idea what to do with this talent. He's almost as long as Kiprop, maybe they'll move him down to the 1500 if that works out best, or make him their new sub 2-project man if HM works out the best.

The bigger picture Five, Al Sal is always angling at what is best for Rupp, getting Kejelcha in half marathon shape helps that.

Subway Surfers wrote:

the magic rat wrote:

Did you watch the last 100m of that race? I would hardly say he didn't have much left.

Yes fresh as a daisy, I wonder why? ?

You are a bore with your baseless accusations.

If I was the lawyer of one of the runners you accuse of doping you would be in court now.

Coefart wrote:

If I was the lawyer of one of the runners you accuse of doping you would be in court now.

How are you going to prove your client not only isn't doping, but that a reasonable person should know that about someone who turned in an all-time top performance in a scandalously dirty sport? Let alone proving malicious intent if you're in the US.

Nobody can be proven clean. Professional running like all pro sports is entertainment, a business, and it's caveat emptor,. The people have the right to believe the athletes are clean or dirty if they want to, and say what they believe too. No athlete is entitled to any sort of reputation or fame.

With an intergender runner sandbagging to avoid breaking the w800 record, and the doors recently blown off the wsteeple, why be afraid of taking down the m5000 record too? The dope talk won't go away just because they let the record be.

They could do it easily, especially if they agree to share the lead. They might never get another chance.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Coefart wrote:

If I was the lawyer of one of the runners you accuse of doping you would be in court now.

How are you going to prove your client not only isn't doping, but that a reasonable person should know that about someone who turned in an all-time top performance in a scandalously dirty sport? Let alone proving malicious intent if you're in the US.

Nobody can be proven clean. Professional running like all pro sports is entertainment, a business, and it's caveat emptor,. The people have the right to believe the athletes are clean or dirty if they want to, and say what they believe too. No athlete is entitled to any sort of reputation or fame.

Well put. Ex runner isn't very bright Wigins. My defence team would calmly point out Mourhit, Saïdi-Sief, Gourhmi, Kisorio and others have failed tests yet are slower. Then you would bring in Dick Pound to point how they (WADA) are only catching 2% of cheats and then one would drag in Seppelt to show that testing in Ethiopia is a complete joke. Anyhow it's a bit rich for Ex runner (Coefart) to post this when only weeks ago he was calling Clayton Murphy a drug cheat.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

NativeSon wrote:

Get:

1. Hadis Abadi

2. Mukhtar Edris

3. Yomif Kejelcha

4. Hagos Gebrhiwet

5. Molah Getaneh,

5. Yator Richard

6. Paul Chelimo

7. Stanley Mburu Waithaka

8. Edward Zakayo

9. The Ingebrigtsen brothers

10. Selemon Barega

Get great pace setters and you have a 12:30 race.

It's going to happen perhaps next year.

You'd just get a tactical race with all those.

Not if half of them were getting paid big dollars to carry out a certain pace making role, and if they didn't oblige they didn't get paid. Not hard to pick out who the pace makers amongst that lot would be and they'd like the big dollars as they'd know they had virtually zero chance of finishing top five.

Careful, you are moving into the territory of you-know-who with this type of analysis...

Coefart wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

Yes fresh as a daisy, I wonder why? ?

You are a bore with your baseless accusations.

If I was the lawyer of one of the runners you accuse of doping you would be in court now.

Hello doctorj. Do you think any of your patients will sue you when they find out you are a dope apologizing psychotic pervert?

None of these Africans will ever sue somebody for suspecting them of doping. For a start, (in UK law, at least) it's a defence against a libel prosecution that a majority of reasonable people would share the supposedly libelous opinion. Most reasonable people with any clue about athletics would at least suspect that most elite East Africans are taking PEDs, especially 18 year olds running times not seen since the era when EPO was legal or untested for and it's widely accepted most top runners were taking it.

Spook wrote:

Coefart wrote:

You are a bore with your baseless accusations.

If I was the lawyer of one of the runners you accuse of doping you would be in court now.

Hello doctorj. Do you think any of your patients will sue you when they find out you are a dope apologizing psychotic pervert?

Ex-Runner does post regularly as an anonymous troll to harass Subway and Coevett and to back up his own points, but if I'm earning my money, I'm 90% sure the hardcore troll stalking Coevett is doctorj. Take a look at this thread on El G where he uses almost identical language to the loon (after making a couple of posts as doctorj, he then switches to anonymous handles to agree with himself, such as 'Lets See Some Evidence Baby' :