Well, wait and see, but swimmer Madisyn Cox sanction has just been reduced from 2 years to 6 months, after lawyers managed to prove that the banned substance was present in her supplements.
Her lawyers didn't "prove" anything. Western-based CAS will accept anything from sobstory Westerners, who miraculously outshine others who are claimed to be on "state-sponsored" doping regimes.
Tainted supps wrote:
Well, wait and see, but swimmer Madisyn Cox sanction has just been reduced from 2 years to 6 months, after lawyers managed to prove that the banned substance was present in her supplements.
https://swimswam.com/madisyn-coxs-suspension-reduced-to-six-months-after-trimetazidine-detected-in-multivitamin/
The trouble us they don't bother to test if the minute quantities in the supplement would cause a positive test in an athlete who took them.
They've been using that excuse since Linford Christie if not earlier.
Take the nationalist blinkers off like I did.
I understand why you're saying this, but you're wrong. Androgenic means aggression, muscle hardness, protection from muscle wasting when dieting and strength gains. This is not a drug only of use to throwers. Fani Halkia (2004 Olympic 400mH champion) tested positive for oral tren. Yes, of course, it lowers natural test, but so does anything exogenously given. Do you really think that Lawson knows that tren has a very high affinity for the androgen receptor and will therefore have a more pronounced effect? I doubt it. No athlete in any event would dare do post cycle therapy because they'd get caught. This is a case of oral tren if my opinion: methyltrienolone (like Halkia above).
And as someone who has taken tren, it does not necessarily cause back pumps. I got none. Compare this to dianabol and anavar and tren was easily tolerated in this respect.
Hopefully I have helped sure YOUR ignorance.
More generally, has no one thought it odd that the drugs that people claim came from contaminated food/supplements are the exact compounds they would wish to take if drugs weren't proscribed in sport. Jeez. They're just getting caught, guys.
Oral tren wrote:
I understand why you're saying this, but you're wrong. Androgenic means aggression, muscle hardness, protection from muscle wasting when dieting and strength gains. This is not a drug only of use to throwers. Fani Halkia (2004 Olympic 400mH champion) tested positive for oral tren. Yes, of course, it lowers natural test, but so does anything exogenously given. Do you really think that Lawson knows that tren has a very high affinity for the androgen receptor and will therefore have a more pronounced effect? I doubt it. No athlete in any event would dare do post cycle therapy because they'd get caught. This is a case of oral tren if my opinion: methyltrienolone (like Halkia above).
And as someone who has taken tren, it does not necessarily cause back pumps. I got none. Compare this to dianabol and anavar and tren was easily tolerated in this respect.
Hopefully I have helped sure YOUR ignorance.
More generally, has no one thought it odd that the drugs that people claim came from contaminated food/supplements are the exact compounds they would wish to take if drugs weren't proscribed in sport. Jeez. They're just getting caught, guys.
Exactly. The naivete and gullibility of anyone who even remotely entertains the possible validity of these grasping-at-straws "I ate tainted meat" excuses is just staggering.
Oi. You are right of course, but all the drug heat apologists here will go berserk.
OK everyone keeps acting like Ajee Wilson ate a steak or a hamburger.
She ate oxtail, the night before the race and it wasn't at a food truck, it was at a Jamaican restaurant, plus she ate the leftovers for lunch right before the race.
She probably saved the receipts for tax purposes, since it was a business trip for her. USADA does not just blindly accept excuses.
I have no idea if there is any evidence that oxtail would contain higher levels of steroids, but it could explain why she tested positive, when most beef-eating athletes do not.
polevaultpower wrote:
OK everyone keeps acting like Ajee Wilson ate a steak or a hamburger.
She ate oxtail, the night before the race and it wasn't at a food truck, it was at a Jamaican restaurant, plus she ate the leftovers for lunch right before the race.
She probably saved the receipts for tax purposes, since it was a business trip for her. USADA does not just blindly accept excuses.
I have no idea if there is any evidence that oxtail would contain higher levels of steroids, but it could explain why she tested positive, when most beef-eating athletes do not.
You should compare this with alberto contador's defense - his assistant drove to Irun to get special steaks from his favorite butcher on the recovery day ...
You have to want to deceive yourself to believe this nonsense.
There's lots of cheating and no country does it more or better than the USA.
The mystery deepens wrote:
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Ok so it is released into some cows....
In the US, it is released into pretty much all cows. Unless you eat organic, you are eating zeranolized meat.
wrong. My family has been raising beef cattle since the 1970's. Never used zeranol. None of my neighbors do either. Some feedlots use it but nowhere near "pretty much all cows" as you claim.
Also since it is only used in feedlots any grass fed cattle would not have zeranol. Being grass fed does not classify as organic. All of our cows are grass fed but we sell them commercially, you have to pay to have your meat certified as organic and that is a whole racket unto itself. So there are grass fed cattle in the system not labeled as organic and have never seen Zeranol.
Here is a little perspective from an industry website
"Since implant doses are low, the use of implants in cattle has very little impact on hormone levels in beef. Table 1 illustrates that 500 grams (~ 1 lb) of beef from an implanted steer contains approximately 7 nanograms of estrogen compared to 5 nanograms of estrogen from non-implanted beef. Furthermore, there are many common foods that are naturally much higher in estrogen than implanted beef. For example, 500 grams of tofu contains 16,214,285 times the amount of estrogen compared to the same amount of implanted beef. To gain additional perspective on the minuteness of these measurements, nanograms are equivalent to1 billionth of a gram. One gram is roughly equal in weight to 1 small paper clip. If we were to divide the same paper clip into 1 billion tiny pieces, one of those tiny pieces would equal 1 nanogram."
Also the implants only occur in the ear which is thrown away during processing, so there is no chance of consuming any residue left at the injection site.
forgot to post the tables. Kind of puts things in perspective
Table 1. Estrogenic activity of common foods (ng/500g)
Food Estrogenic Activity
Soy flour defatted 755,000,000
Tofu 113,500,000
Pinto beans 900,000
White bread 300,000
Peanuts 100,000
Eggs 555
Butter 310
Milk 32
Beef from implanted steer 7
Beef from non-implanted steer 5
While this is not specific to the implant in question it is relevant as the dosages are similar.
source
uranidiot wrote:
polevaultpower wrote:
OK everyone keeps acting like Ajee Wilson ate a steak or a hamburger.
She ate oxtail, the night before the race and it wasn't at a food truck, it was at a Jamaican restaurant, plus she ate the leftovers for lunch right before the race.
She probably saved the receipts for tax purposes, since it was a business trip for her. USADA does not just blindly accept excuses.
I have no idea if there is any evidence that oxtail would contain higher levels of steroids, but it could explain why she tested positive, when most beef-eating athletes do not.
You should compare this with alberto contador's defense - his assistant drove to Irun to get special steaks from his favorite butcher on the recovery day ...
You have to want to deceive yourself to believe this nonsense.
There's lots of cheating and no country does it more or better than the USA.
Lol oxtail contains more steroids than the rest of the cow.
Heard it here first folks!
Skeptic Tank wrote:
Oral tren wrote:
I understand why you're saying this, but you're wrong. Androgenic means aggression, muscle hardness, protection from muscle wasting when dieting and strength gains. This is not a drug only of use to throwers. Fani Halkia (2004 Olympic 400mH champion) tested positive for oral tren. Yes, of course, it lowers natural test, but so does anything exogenously given. Do you really think that Lawson knows that tren has a very high affinity for the androgen receptor and will therefore have a more pronounced effect? I doubt it. No athlete in any event would dare do post cycle therapy because they'd get caught. This is a case of oral tren if my opinion: methyltrienolone (like Halkia above).
And as someone who has taken tren, it does not necessarily cause back pumps. I got none. Compare this to dianabol and anavar and tren was easily tolerated in this respect.
Hopefully I have helped sure YOUR ignorance.
More generally, has no one thought it odd that the drugs that people claim came from contaminated food/supplements are the exact compounds they would wish to take if drugs weren't proscribed in sport. Jeez. They're just getting caught, guys.
Exactly. The naivete and gullibility of anyone who even remotely entertains the possible validity of these grasping-at-straws "I ate tainted meat" excuses is just staggering.
Some are naive and gullible, some are profiteering and corrupt.
It’s not that the contaminated meat excuse is impossible—it’s that it has never even been proven to be possible in the first place.
If someone has actual evidence to the contrary, I’m all ears.
oldhalfmileguy wrote:
The mystery deepens wrote:
In the US, it is released into pretty much all cows. Unless you eat organic, you are eating zeranolized meat.
wrong. My family has been raising beef cattle since the 1970's. Never used zeranol. None of my neighbors do either. Some feedlots use it but nowhere near "pretty much all cows" as you claim.
Also since it is only used in feedlots any grass fed cattle would not have zeranol. Being grass fed does not classify as organic. All of our cows are grass fed but we sell them commercially, you have to pay to have your meat certified as organic and that is a whole racket unto itself. So there are grass fed cattle in the system not labeled as organic and have never seen Zeranol.
Here is a little perspective from an industry website
"Since implant doses are low, the use of implants in cattle has very little impact on hormone levels in beef. Table 1 illustrates that 500 grams (~ 1 lb) of beef from an implanted steer contains approximately 7 nanograms of estrogen compared to 5 nanograms of estrogen from non-implanted beef. Furthermore, there are many common foods that are naturally much higher in estrogen than implanted beef. For example, 500 grams of tofu contains 16,214,285 times the amount of estrogen compared to the same amount of implanted beef. To gain additional perspective on the minuteness of these measurements, nanograms are equivalent to1 billionth of a gram. One gram is roughly equal in weight to 1 small paper clip. If we were to divide the same paper clip into 1 billion tiny pieces, one of those tiny pieces would equal 1 nanogram."
Also the implants only occur in the ear which is thrown away during processing, so there is no chance of consuming any residue left at the injection site.
Thanks.
That’s why he didn’t compete this whole year right? Wants time served so he might make back for Olympics!
Oral tren wrote:
I understand why you're saying this, but you're wrong. Androgenic means aggression, muscle hardness, protection from muscle wasting when dieting and strength gains. This is not a drug only of use to throwers. Fani Halkia (2004 Olympic 400mH champion) tested positive for oral tren. Yes, of course, it lowers natural test, but so does anything exogenously given. Do you really think that Lawson knows that tren has a very high affinity for the androgen receptor and will therefore have a more pronounced effect? I doubt it. No athlete in any event would dare do post cycle therapy because they'd get caught. This is a case of oral tren if my opinion: methyltrienolone (like Halkia above).
And as someone who has taken tren, it does not necessarily cause back pumps. I got none. Compare this to dianabol and anavar and tren was easily tolerated in this respect.
Hopefully I have helped sure YOUR ignorance.
More generally, has no one thought it odd that the drugs that people claim came from contaminated food/supplements are the exact compounds they would wish to take if drugs weren't proscribed in sport. Jeez. They're just getting caught, guys.
Hey I admit you could be right. I've never done tren as you admit to doing. I've only read about it and heard from friends at the gym that they basically can't run at all because it causes them crazy back pumps. Vascularity and hardness is pretty much a 10/10, but tends to come at the expense of aerobic capacity and fluidity of movement.
Maybe Lawson or his preprateur didn't do their research because seems like a really stupid compound to use.
You raise a good point about tren and cardiovascular issues; it severely compromises aerobic capacity in most people, although other compounds can help mitigate this. I don't compete so this isn't a concern for me, but I don't take it anymore. It's very toxic, including having a host of negative effects on the immune system. If anyone is encouraging him to take it, it's outrageous. A lot of nonsense is written about PEDs and their risks, but this compound is pretty heavy going.
polevaultpower wrote:
She ate oxtail, the night before the race and it wasn't at a food truck, it was at a Jamaican restaurant, plus she ate the leftovers for lunch right before the race.
She probably saved the receipts for tax purposes, since it was a business trip for her. USADA does not just blindly accept excuses.
Well, USADA could have taken some oxtails from said restaurant to check for zeranol, but instead they blindly chose to "believe" that those oxtails may have been contaminated. In the next step then, one needs a volunteer eating oxtail to analyze the effect. But alas, USADA didn't even start an investigation.
So much for USADA being thorough and tough.
oldhalfmileguy wrote:
forgot to post the tables. Kind of puts things in perspective
Table 1. Estrogenic activity of common foods (ng/500g)
Food Estrogenic Activity
Soy flour defatted 755,000,000
Tofu 113,500,000
Pinto beans 900,000
White bread 300,000
Peanuts 100,000
Eggs 555
Butter 310
Milk 32
Beef from implanted steer 7
Beef from non-implanted steer 5
While this is not specific to the implant in question it is relevant as the dosages are similar.
source
http://www.drovers.com/sites/default/files/IBC48.pdf
The estrogens in plants are pyhtoestrogens. Phytoestrogens have been reported to act on humans differently (not as severe) than estrogens.
ex-runner wrote:
Lol oxtail contains more steroids than the rest of the cow.
Heard it here first folks!
It's true, the poo contains trace amounts of the steroid, the cow defecates and some of the poo gets on the tail and is absorbed, hence the tail "contains more steroids than the rest of the cow".
uranidiot wrote:
You should compare this with alberto contador's defense - his assistant drove to Irun to get special steaks from his favorite butcher on the recovery day ...
I didn't say I necessarily believed Wilson, just that it was more plausible than some of the other excuses getting thrown around.
Wilson is in the US, where steroids are allowed in cattle. Contador was in Europe where they are not.
His sample also contained plastic residue that was indicative of blood doping.
Believe her or don't, but her story is more plausible than his.
Also, Contador would've had to have done a round trip of hours just to go to his fav restaurant, if I remember rightly the night between race days too.
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