• LetsRun.com
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      • Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 9:48AM
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      • "Having now researched trenbolone, we have discovered that it is a USDA approved steroid, legally used in the United States in the production of beef,” Lawson said in a statement, according to his agent. “Lab results have shown that there were extremely trace amounts of the metabolite in my sample. We are confident that we will prove that the metabolite entered my system through contamination. The Athletics Integrity Unit has been very helpful in providing us with the information needed to make our case. I am a 100% clean athlete and a big supporter of a clean sport. I am completely confident that a fair decision will be made in this case and I will be cleared of any wrong doing.”

        https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2018/08/31/jarrion-lawson-doping-ban-long-jump/
    • mexican beefcake
      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 10:00AM - in reply to LetsRun.com
      • mexican beefcake
      • Seems legit.
    • Ehso
      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 11:09AM - in reply to LetsRun.com
      • Ehso
      • This is an actual doping story about an actual world class track athlete, and apparently nobody on the boards gives a hoot. I guess all of our antidoping crusaders are full of it.
    • Sprintgeezer
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      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 11:34AM - in reply to Ehso
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      • Nobody cares because he isn't a distance athlete.

        He is a LJ'er and a 100m athlete, so I am one of the very few who cares.

        Too bad, but what can I say. I liked and held out hope for Lawson in the 100m, same as I did Livermore from Jamaica (who also tested positive).

        Both were athletes who were very good but not the absolute best, and not necessarily internationally great.

        We will see what comes of this. I know the level of metabolites found was vanishingly small, but without some comparison data from the general population who also eat beef (and probably in greater quantities), I don't buy it--either from Lawson or from Wilson.

        In order for USADA to have accepted the excuse from Wilson there MUST be some such data somewhere. If anybody has it, a link would be great.
    • I Chose D2
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      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 11:50AM - in reply to Ehso
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      • Ehso wrote:

        This is an actual doping story about an actual world class track athlete, and apparently nobody on the boards gives a hoot. I guess all of our antidoping crusaders are full of it.

        Didn't you know? Only Kenyans, Russians, and cyclists dope.
    • Where's the beef?
      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 12:05PM - in reply to I Chose D2
      • Where's the beef?
      • Yes, clearly a bogus excuse just like Wilson.

        And yes again, it is clear that Russians and Kenyans dope.
    • You MUST be kidding
      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 12:15PM - in reply to Sprintgeezer
      • You MUST be kidding
      • Sprintgeezer wrote:
        In order for USADA to have accepted the excuse from Wilson there MUST be some such data somewhere. If anybody has it, a link would be great.
        According to the USADA, there are no such data.

        Because they got so many questions after Wilson's case, USADA set up a web page called "What Athletes Need to Know about Zeranol." The message is simple: Nobody needs to worry about testing positive for zeranol because they ate "contaminated" beef. Nobody needs to worry because: 1) Only one American athlete has ever tested positive for zeranol; world-wide, only six athletes have ever tested positive; and, 2) USADA, which looks for zeranol in animals, rarely finds it; the most recent case was in 2014, and that was in a pig, not a cow.

        Given the facts of Wilson's case -- the amounts were miniscule, and Wilson had recently tested clean -- USADA concluded "the beef did it." Given the facts of the world -- only she has tested positive, and almost no meat has zeranol -- Deadspin nailed it when they called this "the curious case of Ajee Wilson."

        https://www.usada.org/zeranol-faq/

        https://deadspin.com/the-curious-case-of-ajee-wilsons-positive-drug-test-1796269659
    • Here's the beef
      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 12:16PM - in reply to Where's the beef?
      • Here's the beef
      • If USADA can trace the meat in Lawson's meal back to the supplier and confirm use of trenbolone(as it did with Wilson's zeranol positive) Lawson will be fine. If not, or if he doesnt have receipts USADA can follow, then he has a problem.
    • Avocado's Number
      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 12:20PM - in reply to Sprintgeezer
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      • Sprintgeezer wrote:
        I know the level of metabolites found was vanishingly small, but without some comparison data from the general population who also eat beef (and probably in greater quantities), I don't buy it--either from Lawson or from Wilson.

        In order for USADA to have accepted the excuse from Wilson there MUST be some such data somewhere. If anybody has it, a link would be great.
        I'm not sure that I understand your position. You've said that, without some comparison data from the general population who also eat beef, you don't buy Wilson's excuse, but you acknowledge that "[i]n order for USADA to have accepted the excuse from Wilson there MUST be some such data somewhere" (your emphasis). Are you merely saying that you won't accept Wilson's excuse until you personally see the data that "must" exist and USADA presumably relied upon? (I also would like to see such data, if they exist.)

        I have somewhat mixed feelings about these cases. I believe I understand why WADA chooses not to set minimum threshold concentrations for many banned substances, but it gives rise to some quite plausible cases of positive doping tests resulting from inadvertent or unintentional ingestion in amounts that would have no discernable effect on performance (or, in at least one of the "contamination by kissing" cases, no discernable masking effect).

        Having not eaten any meat in the last forty years, I'm probably a bit less sympathetic than I might otherwise be to athletes who claim that their positive tests were caused by inadvertently consuming contaminated meat. Still, those critics who simply claim that professional athletes should know enough about what they're putting into their bodies to avoid all positive tests are, I believe, basically just idiots.
    • zxcvzxcv
      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 12:30PM - in reply to Sprintgeezer
      • zxcvzxcv
      • Excellent point. They need to provide that data to show that this is the kind of incidental exposure to trace amounts as any normal person might have. The second thing would be to show that those levels have no performance enhancing effect.
    • Porkie
      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 12:36PM - in reply to Where's the beef?
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      • Where's the beef? wrote:

        Yes, clearly a bogus excuse just like Wilson.

        And yes again, it is clear that Russians and Kenyans dope.

        Ben Johnson claimed he ate questionable "beef" in Seoul. " Mee-ow, that's no cow, " he said.
    • What they actually did
      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 12:37PM - in reply to Here's the beef
      • What they actually did
      • Here's the beef wrote:
        If USADA can trace the meat in Lawson's meal back to the supplier and confirm use of trenbolone(as it did with Wilson's zeranol positive) Lawson will be fine. If not, or if he doesnt have receipts USADA can follow, then he has a problem.
        If you read the USADA statement on Wilson's case, you'll see that they do not say they traced the meat she ate. Instead, they relied on "independent experts" who reported on use of zeranol in general, not in this specific case.

        "During its investigation into the circumstances that led to the positive test, USADA gathered evidence from Wilson, which included reviewing her dietary habits and food purchase receipts. USADA also took into consideration laboratory reports demonstrating low parts per billion concentrations of the prohibited substance in her urine, as well as the fact that she tested negative one week prior. USADA further relied on reports from multiple independent experts on zeranol in the food supply and environment, including the use of zeranol as a legal growth promotant in beef cattle in the U.S. Based on the totality of the evidence, USADA concluded it was highly unlikely that the presence of zeranol in Wilson’s sample resulted from a source other than zeranol contaminated meat."

        https://www.usada.org/ajee-wilson-accepts-finding-of-no-fault/
    • gumbee.insider
      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 12:37PM - in reply to Sprintgeezer
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      • Sprintgeezer wrote:

        Nobody cares because he isn't a distance athlete.

        He is a LJ'er and a 100m athlete, so I am one of the very few who cares.

        Too bad, but what can I say. I liked and held out hope for Lawson in the 100m, same as I did Livermore from Jamaica (who also tested positive).

        Both were athletes who were very good but not the absolute best, and not necessarily internationally great.

        We will see what comes of this. I know the level of metabolites found was vanishingly small, but without some comparison data from the general population who also eat beef (and probably in greater quantities), I don't buy it--either from Lawson or from Wilson.

        In order for USADA to have accepted the excuse from Wilson there MUST be some such data somewhere. If anybody has it, a link would be great.

        Don't forget about Fernando Cabada, he used the same tainted meat excuse... and just recently called out a doper for taking his prize money.

        USADA needs to get the Excuse figured out
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      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 12:45PM - in reply to Here's the beef
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      • Here's the beef wrote:

        If USADA can trace the meat in Lawson's meal back to the supplier and confirm use of trenbolone(as it did with Wilson's zeranol positive) Lawson will be fine. If not, or if he doesnt have receipts USADA can follow, then he has a problem.

        This guys. A lot of you are looking past the details here. Ajee was able to prove that she had purchased bad meat with receipts. If I remember right it was from a food truck.
    • letsjump
      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 1:04PM - in reply to Ehso
      • letsjump
      • Ehso wrote:

        This is an actual doping story about an actual world class track athlete, and apparently nobody on the boards gives a hoot. I guess all of our antidoping crusaders are full of it.

        Yes, because the long jump is all we talk about on here.
    • Burnsy
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      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 1:05PM - in reply to running commenter
      • Burnsy
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      • I don’t see anywhere that indicates she or USADA actually used receipts to trace the source of the beef and prove that source/supplier had a record of contamination.

        It seems like Wilson’s team merely provided evidence that she had purchased or consumed beef, and that they provided testimony from people in the beef industry that zeranol is sometimes used. However, the story was phrased in such a way that one might make the conclusive jump that there was some sort of actual tracing of the source.
    • Sprintgeezer
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      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 2:35PM - in reply to What they actually did
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      • As a lawyer, I understand the basis for, and reasoning of, the Wilson decision—but it rests upon a firm belief that Wilson’s testimony was credible. In this case, that determination requires a finding of fact that the alleged ingestion of beef actually took place as described by the ahlete, and that such ingestion might reasonably result in the metabolite concentration found in the AAF.

        I don’t see how, without some affirmative evidence, the latter finding is legally sound, otherwise it would be putting the cart before the horse...that is, it would rest upon the conclusion that the athlete is credible, rather than being used to assess that very credibility.

        There must be some such evidence, somewhere. Either that, or the USADA determination is legally flawed.

        The problem as I see it is that USADA uses a plausibility standard to judge the sufficiency of an excuse advanced by an athlete—that is, all the athlete has to do is to make the excuse with some supporting factual evidence, then the ball is in USADA’s court to investigate and find that the proferred excuse is implausible. This requires work, time, and budget, which the USADA will always claim is in short supply.

        This is why we get excuses like tainted meat and kissing. But IMO the athlete should have to first adduce evidence other than their own testimony that the excuse is at all plausible.

        Are you guys sure that there is no evidence for these levels of metabolites of either this, or of Clen, arising from the ingestion of commercially-available meats?
    • GBnothingWithoutFarah
      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 2:53PM - in reply to LetsRun.com
      • GBnothingWithoutFarah
      • USADA covering up for it's doping athletes? I means what's new? Their history shows it.
    • More details for you
      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 3:21PM - in reply to Sprintgeezer
      • More details for you
      • Sprintgeezer wrote:
        Are you guys sure that there is no evidence for these levels of metabolites of either this, or of Clen, arising from the ingestion of commercially-available meats?
        If you read the USADA's statement on Wilson and its zeranol web page, you'll see USADA does not mention any studies showing these hormones make it into the food supply. Plus they point out that, as a matter of fact, positive tests are very rare among both animals or athletes.

        This should not be a surprise. These hormones are delivered via implants, which are injected into animals at a fairly young age. The hormones then leak out until they are basically used up. Given this set up, it's hard to see how an animal could end up with excess levels of the hormones.

        When these implants were first developed, manufacturers had to show they didn't leave residue. This led to a spate of studies looking at blood and tissue levels of the hormones after the implantation. Those studies all showed hormone levels below FDA/USDA standards before the usual slaughter age.

        If you want to read the underlying studies, just google some combination of "the hormone name"+ residue + food + studies.

        PS There is a twist. Some of the by-products of a fungus that infects feed can be metabolized into zeranol in a cow's stomach. So maybe...
    • El Keniano
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      • RE: Jarrion Lawson tests positive for steroid - He's fighting it using a version of the Ajee Wilson excuse 8/31/2018 3:28PM - in reply to Ehso
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      • Ehso wrote:

        This is an actual doping story about an actual world class track athlete, and apparently nobody on the boards gives a hoot. I guess all of our antidoping crusaders are full of it.

        He's not a superstar like Samuel Kalalei. No need to start yapping about an American ban.