Frank Marshall Davis wrote:
I can't see how Trump got involved with Cohen, since there had to be innumerable, actually semi-competent lawyers who Trump could have hired over the years.
Of course you can, you just don’t want to see it: Trump needed a fixer with no ethics to cover up his own unethical behavior.
For the kind of stuff Trump needed to coverup I’m sure there’s was a very short list of “qualified” attorneys.
My take is this is the start and small potatoes. I think well eventually have clear evidence Trump is deep in debt to the Russian mob. Getting his cfo is the start of that process.
We elected the guy who refused to release his tax returns or divest his interests. You get the government you deserve.
I find it kind of funny that this whole thing started as an investigation into Russian collusion, and all the guilty verdicts so far have to do with completely different issues. That's like putting the average Joe on trial for a serious crime like murder, finding no evidence of such, but in the process discovering that you had a bunch of unpaid parking tickets. I'm not suggesting that Cohen/Manafort etc aren't criminals, liars, and cheaters, but this trial hasn't produced anything to do with Russia. That makes the whole thing unethical. If this was really a matter of national security, it would have been taken care of before the election.
The whole thing reminds me of the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq debacle, in which Mueller was involved...No evidence of such, but a means to get a desired result. In this case, simply embarrassing and or impeaching Trump. Also reminiscent of the Clinton impeachment, in which Bill was simply embarrassed and it didn't ruin his career or hurt his massive financial wealth.
Hfdffv wrote:
My take is this is the start and small potatoes. I think well eventually have clear evidence Trump is deep in debt to the Russian mob. Getting his cfo is the start of that process.
We elected the guy who refused to release his tax returns or divest his interests. You get the government you deserve.
Why would someone worth billions be in debt to the Russian mob? Obviously they don't give out multimillion dollar commercial loans for real estate, so are you suggesting they whacked a bunch of people for Trump?
Mahavishnu1500 wrote: That's like putting the average Joe on trial for a serious crime like murder, finding no evidence of such, but in the process discovering that you had a bunch of unpaid parking tickets. I'm not suggesting that Cohen/Manafort etc aren't criminals, liars, and cheaters, but this trial hasn't produced anything to do with Russia. .
Just ridiculous. So the police go to search a suspected murder's house, see a big pile of drugs on the kitchen table, should they just ignore it?
Mahavishnu1500 wrote:
Why would someone worth billions be in debt to the Russian mob? Obviously they don't give out multimillion dollar commercial loans for real estate, so are you suggesting they whacked a bunch of people for Trump?
Some would say its because his financial position is more perilous than he wants people the think.
Mahavishnu1500 wrote:
I find it kind of funny that this whole thing started as an investigation into Russian collusion, and all the guilty verdicts so far have to do with completely different issues. That's like putting the average Joe on trial for a serious crime like murder, finding no evidence of such, but in the process discovering that you had a bunch of unpaid parking tickets. I'm not suggesting that Cohen/Manafort etc aren't criminals, liars, and cheaters, but this trial hasn't produced anything to do with Russia. That makes the whole thing unethical. If this was really a matter of national security, it would have been taken care of before the election.
The whole thing reminds me of the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq debacle, in which Mueller was involved...No evidence of such, but a means to get a desired result. In this case, simply embarrassing and or impeaching Trump. Also reminiscent of the Clinton impeachment, in which Bill was simply embarrassed and it didn't ruin his career or hurt his massive financial wealth.
You don’t seem to understand how the justice system works in the USA. Get smarter.
RichmondRunner wrote:
Mahavishnu1500 wrote: That's like putting the average Joe on trial for a serious crime like murder, finding no evidence of such, but in the process discovering that you had a bunch of unpaid parking tickets. I'm not suggesting that Cohen/Manafort etc aren't criminals, liars, and cheaters, but this trial hasn't produced anything to do with Russia. .
Just ridiculous. So the police go to search a suspected murder's house, see a big pile of drugs on the kitchen table, should they just ignore it?
Agree. This is along the lines of the broken mentality that something is only a crime if you are caught.
Also, last time I checked they don't give 10-20 year prison terms for parking tickets.
Mahavishnu1500 wrote:
I find it kind of funny that this whole thing started as an investigation into Russian collusion, and all the guilty verdicts so far have to do with completely different issues. That's like putting the average Joe on trial for a serious crime like murder, finding no evidence of such, but in the process discovering that you had a bunch of unpaid parking tickets. I'm not suggesting that Cohen/Manafort etc aren't criminals, liars, and cheaters, but this trial hasn't produced anything to do with Russia. That makes the whole thing unethical. If this was really a matter of national security, it would have been taken care of before the election.
The whole thing reminds me of the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq debacle, in which Mueller was involved...No evidence of such, but a means to get a desired result. In this case, simply embarrassing and or impeaching Trump. Also reminiscent of the Clinton impeachment, in which Bill was simply embarrassed and it didn't ruin his career or hurt his massive financial wealth.
Stop saying "collusion"
It is:
"Appointment of special counsel to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election and related matters"
There have been at least a dozen Russian officers indicted from this investigation.
For matters related, following the money is a big part of the investigation.
That lead to finding financial fraud of Trump associates Manafort and Cohen.
Just because it wasn't found out before the election doesn't mean they should get away with their crimes.
These crimes are way beyond the scope of unpaid parking tickets.
If Hillary was investigated foundation fraud and they found she employed undocumented immigrants would it be fair to deport them?
Here is the text for the Mueller investigation:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/downloadI believe this subject belongs in the epic Trump thread. Please delete this thread. Thank you.
Do people really think that Trump has billions? Why can't he afford to hire anyone competent? Or honest?
If he had money, the banks would do business with him and he wouldn't have been forced to turn to the Russians.
notalltoddlers wrote:
Do people really think that Trump has billions? Why can't he afford to hire anyone competent? Or honest?
If he had money, the banks would do business with him and he wouldn't have been forced to turn to the Russians.
Trump definitely has billions. I mean, he said he has billions on many occasions. What more proof do you need?
We should be lauding him as a self made American hero. After receiving a small loan from his father, he went on to commit housing discrimination and multiple sexual assaults, bankrupted casinos, and started the most fraudulent "university" in history. Then, as president, he committed treason against his own country.
What more do people want? Are you not entertained?
notalltoddlers wrote:
Do people really think that Trump has billions? Why can't he afford to hire anyone competent? Or honest?
If he had money, the banks would do business with him and he wouldn't have been forced to turn to the Russians.
Look at the way Trump has behaved over the past twenty years. I doubt Trump's real net worth is greater than Mitt Romney's net worth. First all banks in US cut off Trump for lending. Second, only shady off-shore banks with underworld co-signers would do business with Trump. Finally, Trump did his banking with Russian mob. Note: Russian mob/Russian government is a distinction without a difference.
You started out ok, but eventually degenerate to just listing your opinions that reads like a transcript from THE VIEW.
Some of what you say: "They used to put America first and Be strong on defense and protection," "nobody in the party will say a bad thing against him," "Putting America first does not mean getting cozy with foreign dictators and threatening war on other countries" "He was zero understanding on how the economy works..."
I don't understand people with giant size opinions and tiny bits of knowledge waste so much time with anonymous post to change no-ones mind
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/donald-trump-national-enquirer-allies-defect-david-pecker-michael-cohen/ampPookie Washington wrote:
I just heard that Trump's long time friend who runs the National Enquirer has received immunity and has corroborated Cohen's testimony. They paid off the whores(with Donald Trumps full knowledge)to keep them quiet IN AN EFFORT TO INFLUENCE THE ELECTION! Drain the swamp.
The walls are closing in.
Trailer Park AmeriKKKa...........you did this to us.
There is no doubt that Trump surrounded himself with cronies. The question is whether it was purposeful or whether he knew what he was doing. We all know that most reputable Republicans did not support his campaign, which raises the question of who exactly did support his campaign. And this was at a time of unprecedented splintering in the party where there were numerous other options to pick before Trump. So who went to him? It was opportunistic people or else people who needed it desperately. We all basically accept this as a fact and it is why we can actually entertain a discussion about whether Trump knew who he was hiring when he picked Manafort to head his campaign. Before we go further on Manafort, let's not mince words that America on the whole when determining Trump's ignorance (conservatives) or possible motive (liberals) intuitively accepts that Trump attracted low quality help.
Trump himself might be called a bit of an opportunist. Recall that he previously ran as a Reform Party candidate where he championed things like campaign finance reform. He was quite moderate. He was nothing like the Breitbart, base-stirring firebrand who presented himself for the 2016 election. You can trace Trump's seriousness back to precisely the moment during all the birther controversy where Obama roasted Trump. That was the precise moment -- one full of spite -- Trump went all-in on allying himself with the conservative base to lambast Obama. By any measure his next presidential campaign was just going to be a money grab and brand building experience at the expense of Obama.
Except a lot of people wanted him to succeed at hurting Obama and later HRC. Conservatives obviously wanted that. Big money conservatives in charge of corporations and politics certainly wanted to emphasize this through ads, articles, and talking points. But you need to consider who outside the country has an interest, too.
Russia had no love for Obama and no love for HRC, who was Secretary of State and consistently spoke out against Russia. Naturally the Russians want to get involved whether Trump cares to work with them or not. So you see the Russians begin to campaign against HRC. They fund hacks and fake articles. They invite people like Jill Stein (who will pull votes from HRC) to several events and give her validity. Probably the best picture of the era is the dinner table photo that includes Putin, Stein, and Michael Flynn. Russia was courting its own agenda whether anyone benefitting from it realized it or not at the time.
Let's look at Steele for a moment. Let's suppose he's a full-on British agent who the government ordered to push pro-HRC causes because that's how Britain was allied at the time. Let's go all-in on a conspiracy there. Sadly for conservatives, no laws were broken, because Steele and Britain did not give the U.S. money during all that. Everyone expects an agenda. What matters is money. Steele doesn't matter because he didn't pay anyone to exercise influence.
But did Russia? Well, Manafort accepted money from Ukrainian officials loyal to Russia, which is why Manafort pursued a pro-Russia agenda. Can we prove whether any of the Russian money made it directly to Manafort? Maybe. We already know Cohen took money from middle eastern countries, AT&T, and others under the guise of consulting when he would specifically point out to these entities that he works directly for President Trump. Were there any deals like this that came from the Russians? Carter Page spoke in Russia on their state news. Maybe he was paid at the time for some of his work. Are we to believe the Russians never paid him for anything just before or during the campaign? There are many people in the campaign for whom we can ask this.
But let's look directly at Trump. I'm out of time, so I have to do it in bullet form:
-Moscow Trump Tower discussions
-Trump SoHo -- other real estate deals with Russians to finance projects elsewhere
-Miss Universe pageant and efforts to involve Putin
-The dozens of shell companies owned by Trump
These are all ways Russia could have funneled money to Trump that he would have known about and been complicit in accepting.
If I worked for the FBI and had a mandate to "investigate X interference in Y election and all related matters", I could come up 10,000 indictments if I wanted to.
RichmondRunner wrote:
Mahavishnu1500 wrote:
Why would someone worth billions be in debt to the Russian mob? Obviously they don't give out multimillion dollar commercial loans for real estate, so are you suggesting they whacked a bunch of people for Trump?
Some would say its because his financial position is more perilous than he wants people the think.
Why would someone worth billions NOT be able to pay a paltry $130,000 to quit a porn star?
Reality is real wrote:
Trump definitely has billions. I mean, he said he has billions on many occasions. What more proof do you need?
He needed a special handout from Cohen to make a $130k payment.
jamin wrote:
If I worked for the FBI and had a mandate to "investigate X interference in Y election and all related matters", I could come up 10,000 indictments if I wanted to.
0/10, troll.
And 100,000 or those 10,000 indictments you came up with would be against Democrats. Trump and Trumper supporters you would determine to be above God and his saints.