no way jose wrote:
No, NSAIDS get in the way of hormones produced by the body.
Lol. The coach also told the kids to take ibuprofen if they were feeling any aches or pains.
no way jose wrote:
No, NSAIDS get in the way of hormones produced by the body.
Lol. The coach also told the kids to take ibuprofen if they were feeling any aches or pains.
JP_Runs wrote:
...not really, icebaths have been proven through multiple studies to be far less effective than we originally though. They help a lot with DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness) but do little to help with recovery on their own.
1) Icebaths were though to be effective in the past when RICE (rest, ice, compression, elevate) was believed to be a good practice...now the guy who came up with RICE has came out against it because it makes us feel better but inhibits recovery (due to poor circulation).
2) It's also still somewhat controversal but the majority of studies these days suggest that lactic acid isn't what makes us sore and is just a coincidence...so icing to "squeeze out lactic acid" does absolutely nothing
3) The ideal way to do use cold therapy is to alternate warm/cold for about 5 minutes each (just enough time to get the temp changes deep into muscle tissue) and to end with the warm bath...ending with a cold bath leaves your circulation gimped for a bit. This effectively causes blood to rush to and from the area and leaving it warm at the end keeps blood flowing.
I can link loads of studies supporting this but you're better off googling it so you can see for yourself that I'm not just cherry-picking this stuff...and for what it's worth, I'm not a medical expert so my summary may not be perfect but I'm confident that I should be getting the general concepts across.
Finally someone with a brain who actually reads some studies. Ice baths are so stupid. Think about it. Do you see people who lift weights ice their chest after the do bench press? No. So why would you ice your legs after your run? Why would you want less circulation to an area? Ice baths are good for feeling less sore (probably just sack up and feel sore, your world won’t end), but inhibit muscle adaptation to stresses
Would you throw your kid into an icy lake? There could be cases of kids going into shock ,especially if they are unsupervised. "911,I came home and he was dead in a bath full of ice".
Luv2Run wrote:
Name a waste product....
Alex Hutchinson at Sweat Science has written several blogs about ice baths. I encourage folks to read them. He does a great job of summarizing the literature.
Seconded. His take is generally that there’s no clinically proven downside or upside, so if you think it makes you feel better, do it.
Also, have all of these people seriously never tried an ice bath? Note, by the way, that the water temp is supposed to be in the 50° range. You don’t need literal ice water, and good cold tap water really wil do the job in most cases.
Note: I actually do tend to subscribe to the “inflammation is good” logic, so my application for these is when I’ve got a couple of races back to back and my focus is on performing or recovering rather than building fitness. But I don’t think a coach is bananas to introduce it as a tool after what, for a bunch of kids, may be the hardest workout they’ve ever done to this point.
I'm not the first person to mention this on here, but ice baths basically do diddly squat for you. Don't waste your time.
Ice baths are great for sore legs.
We used to jump in the cold whirlpool (ice bath) regularly after practice in college and it always made a clear difference. The two best things for muscles after a workout are getting in a good stretch and let the muscles cool down, and then hit up an ice bath.
Black Caviar wrote:
running commenter wrote:
Ice baths are just a placebo
Incorrect.
Correct
I’m a coach and I’ve always suggested ice baths to kids. I think it helps although I like the new research and hot and cold alternating.
We also use compression socks and voodoo floss. That stuff is magic. Trust your kids coach.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
This is the first time I have heard of a runner taking an ice bath. When I used to roll my ankle I would stick my foot in ice water and it was unpleasant. A full body soak would seem like torture.
I believe NOP would only soak their lower body. There's a picture of Rupp and Farah sharing a whirlpool tub getting an ice bath.
Seems like while there's no scientific evidence to validate the practice, athletes still do it.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/10/05/ice-baths-treatment-of-choice-for-andy-murray-and-mo-farah-do-no/I would tell your kid to ask the coach these questions.
How are we supposed to get the water to completely freeze in the tub?
How long are we supposed to stay in the ice tub?
How should we thaw the ice when we’re done?
How do we treat frost bite?
Ballsdeepinice wrote:
I’m a coach and I’ve always suggested ice baths to kids. I think it helps although I like the new research and hot and cold alternating.
We also use compression socks and voodoo floss. That stuff is magic. Trust your kids coach.
Gee Coach, you have "always" done it. Do you continue to educate your self, maybe times are a changing. Do you still static stretch before training because you've "always done it"?
Scottykrutz wrote:
The first workout of the season will probably be a shock to most kids systems, so they're gonna be sore tomorrow. An ice bath is a great way to help with recovery and be less sore the next day.
When I start to feel sluggish and heavy during workouts I like to take an ice bath afterwards, to help reset the legs. However I never take one unless I have easy running the next day, as I feel that I have no turnover the next 24 hours. So taking one the day before a race sounds crazy, but after a hard or failed workout is great
I feel the same. I hate running fast the day after an ice bath
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