Yes I think so. A cold shower is good enough though. Cryogenic therapy is the rage.
As long as it isn't a group thing, you alright.
Only if they were advised to rub tiger balm into their sore muscles before jumping into the ice bath.
From what Alberto Salazar says on the subject is that you should only do it before your main competitions.
Sand Dunes wrote:
From what Alberto Salazar says on the subject is that you should only do it before your main competitions.
It was their first "workout" (4x1000). Most of the kids faded badly.
The first workout of the season will probably be a shock to most kids systems, so they're gonna be sore tomorrow. An ice bath is a great way to help with recovery and be less sore the next day.
When I start to feel sluggish and heavy during workouts I like to take an ice bath afterwards, to help reset the legs. However I never take one unless I have easy running the next day, as I feel that I have no turnover the next 24 hours. So taking one the day before a race sounds crazy, but after a hard or failed workout is great
Ice bath or ice buckets each day after practice would be beneficial!
Ice baths are just a placebo
running commenter wrote:
Ice baths are just a placebo
Incorrect.
running commenter wrote:
Ice baths are just a placebo
That was my thought, that it was just a waste of time. I'm not sure if there is "good" science to back up the benefits. As long as there is no downside to doing it, I'll encourage my daughter to follow the coaches' advice on this if it comes up again.
Yea, pretty outdated guy obviously. Ice baths inhibit recovery, inhibit strength gains. It is 2018 time to get with it.
up to date wrote:
Yea, pretty outdated guy obviously. Ice baths inhibit recovery, inhibit strength gains. It is 2018 time to get with it.
I agree, this is 2018 and the new methodology calls for walking barefoot on hot coals as a recovery tool. Get with the times my man!!!
just another guy wrote:
up to date wrote:
Yea, pretty outdated guy obviously. Ice baths inhibit recovery, inhibit strength gains. It is 2018 time to get with it.
I agree, this is 2018 and the new methodology calls for walking barefoot on hot coals as a recovery tool. Get with the times my man!!!
Don't have to be hot, see proprioception. Small stones work.
...not really, icebaths have been proven through multiple studies to be far less effective than we originally though. They help a lot with DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness) but do little to help with recovery on their own.
1) Icebaths were though to be effective in the past when RICE (rest, ice, compression, elevate) was believed to be a good practice...now the guy who came up with RICE has came out against it because it makes us feel better but inhibits recovery (due to poor circulation).
2) It's also still somewhat controversal but the majority of studies these days suggest that lactic acid isn't what makes us sore and is just a coincidence...so icing to "squeeze out lactic acid" does absolutely nothing
3) The ideal way to do use cold therapy is to alternate warm/cold for about 5 minutes each (just enough time to get the temp changes deep into muscle tissue) and to end with the warm bath...ending with a cold bath leaves your circulation gimped for a bit. This effectively causes blood to rush to and from the area and leaving it warm at the end keeps blood flowing.
I can link loads of studies supporting this but you're better off googling it so you can see for yourself that I'm not just cherry-picking this stuff...and for what it's worth, I'm not a medical expert so my summary may not be perfect but I'm confident that I should be getting the general concepts across.
Well, lactic acid is not a thing, so no need to try to "squeeze it out".
Your body will produce Lactate when it burns glycogen, but pretty sure your body will clear it on it's own as long as your heart continues to beat between workouts.
We are finding that inflammation is good, and that the body has it's own mechanism's for dealing with it, icing inhibits that process.
Thanks. This is more in line with what I thought was the most recent thinking on this subject. Anyone know if they are still being done as much or at all by Salazar's group or other elite groups, top college teams, etc?
Just wow... wrote:
Was that good advice?
https://www.google.com/search?q=galen+rupp+ice+bath&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6raW3tPDcAhXRs1kKHasVD8QQ_AUICygC&biw=1366&bih=582&dpr=1#imgrc=Td827W9d3_fKmM:
This is the first time I have heard of a runner taking an ice bath. When I used to roll my ankle I would stick my foot in ice water and it was unpleasant. A full body soak would seem like torture.
Also, our icemaker could lower the tempature by about 2 degrees. How many bags of ice do I need to buy at 7/11?
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Just wow... wrote:
Was that good advice?
https://www.google.com/search?q=galen+rupp+ice+bath&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6raW3tPDcAhXRs1kKHasVD8QQ_AUICygC&biw=1366&bih=582&dpr=1#imgrc=Td827W9d3_fKmM:
This is the first time I have heard of a runner taking an ice bath. When I used to roll my ankle I would stick my foot in ice water and it was unpleasant. A full body soak would seem like torture.
Also, our icemaker could lower the tempature by about 2 degrees. How many bags of ice do I need to buy at 7/11?
Lol, our whole team took them in November after hard workouts last year in preparation for states. We thought they helped, if only psychologically.
On the other hand we have a pretty nice training area .
The coach said if they thought they couldn't handle it with ice, they could just used the cold tap and that would still be effective.
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